Hi, > On 24 Jan 2015, at 06:26, YoheY - OpenOffice <openoff...@yohey.hu> wrote: > > Yet another point of view. > Sounds reasonable, 'affordable', maintainable. > > A 'localized' mailing list was a wish of mine too, when I had to keep in > touch with other translators in my language. Not to mention that the > difficulties of using a foreign language on different levels or using it at > all vanishes in a moment. Every sublist member understands 'natively' what > the other is talking about. > > As a grizzled elder of the community (*cough* *cough*), localised MLs work fine as long as they are actually populated with posts and as long as those posting do not effectively wall themselves off simply by focusing on their lists. The rule we had before was that all posts related to actual coding work being done on the application must be in English and must be on the general development lists. The problems we encountered before related not just to insularity and then alienation (which could very well result in fragmentation and even forking), but, again, the withering silence of a list left dead and forgotten by the absent community.
We knew of this possibility when we first started the NL programme, back in 2001 or so, with the creation of the Francophone list and project, itself a difficult negotiation. But our caution then was also arguably misplaced. When I set the structure up, I hated the idea of locality and nation and wanted to exploit the abstracting qualities of the Internet. So I emphasised language over region and nation (didn't matter where you were or your nationality; flags were not used and indeed nearly prohibited) and deprecated in-person meetings and events. By the time I realised just how vitally important such were, it was hard to swing the momentum around. What made me realise the importance of locality and humanity (sigh) was the success of those linguistic communities that also had strong physical presence, such as the German, Italian, Brazilian, to name but three; there were others, too. Hence, my desire to develop local, human, in-person groups that complement lists and keep OpenOffice real. best louis > > On 2015-01-24 10:39, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> Aivaras Stepukonis wrote: >>> 2015.01.24 00:26, Louis Suárez-Potts rašė: >>>> I'm curious. Do you think it would be worthwhile to bing back a >>>> version of the old native-language sub-projects? >> >> Not in a more structured form than mailing lists. Localized mailing lists >> are already a good step forward. My idea is that whenever we have a group of >> volunteers we should give them a way to coordinate which is internal to >> Apache (so, three volunteers for Croatian localization means that we should >> setup a mailing list for them; and that becomes the main point of contact). >> Some languages have more than one mailing list (one for project coordination >> and one for users, for example). >> >>> I agree. Another reason why the page should be optional is that some >>> native-lang projects are literally one-person endeavors. That person may >>> not want to make public his contacts. If the page were mandatory it >>> would have to be empty. >> >> I'm trying to get to the "What problem does this solve?" angle. If this is a >> page meant to be useful for the general international public, I think the >> best structure could be something like (for the language XX; something will >> apply to some languages only): >> --- >> - For support in XX, use the [XX Forum] or the [XX users list] >> ([...explanation on how to subscribe/unsubscribe... link to archives...]) >> >> - To report XX translation issues, use the [Localization mailing list] or >> the [XX mailing list] >> >> - To report a problem with the XX dictionary, contact >> >> You can also contact the following volunteers directly: >> >> Name | Area of Practice | Location | Contact >> >> [...this is a variant of >> http://www.openoffice.org/lt/participate/contributors...] >> >> Get involved >> >> - To join the XX translation team, write to ... >> --- >> This could be a generic "XX" page that can scale according to how much we >> have to offer for the specific language. So in this case the volunteers who >> translate the site adapt everything to their specific situation. >> >> Regards, >> Andrea. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org
