I remember the discussion too, but I can't remember what was said. What we need to know is when the pricking was first made and if it is early enough, that is sufficient. Otherwise we need to know when Miss Channer died. Before a certain date (around about 1900, I think), the point at which the original was created is used, after that date the death of the author is used as the starting point for counting the years till it is in the public domain. Miss Channer's relatives probably hold the copyright to her pricking and any attending materials she herself made and Ruth Bean may only have a copyright on their printed form of the material (it would be interesting to find out if they were even the original printers of the book.) Does someone on the list have the information from the front of the book? If you wouldn't mind re-posting, some of us can keep an archived copy of the info this time around. This question comes up about once a year. Also, aren't there are two methods for working the mat... one Beds and one Bucks? I have a vague memory of this being discussed as well.
Marcie >>>>>>>>Original message: Hi, Vivienne and others, - I have a very vague recollection (and I may be wrong) that the copyright on the original Miss Channer's mat ran out, but that Ruth Bean got a copyright because there was no pattern and she got someone to draw the pattern out and make a pricking and pattern, which makes that particular pattern her copyright material. But someone else could do the same thing - get the original and make it into a pricking and a pattern, I mean. All you would have to do is draw it out and make the pricking and keep records of the process so that you could prove you didn't just copy Ruth Bean's version. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]