Amazing POV :-) I'm a complete atheist and still share much of you POV because Brazil is largely (and my family is) Catholic (so I have some idea of what these people IMHO-stupid people think. Unfortunately, I don't know why, intelligent + phylosophical + logicist <> atheist...) And I almost ROFL when people say "OMG Lazarus isn't Lazarus anymore" :-/ Of course project, site and many other things can keep the name for any amount of time. But whatever, I'm not voting for a name change, I'm just saying that arguments (for not chaging) have been quite funnny...
-Flávio On 5/19/06, m2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >Florian Klaempfl wrote: > > > >>Lv wrote: > >> > >> > >>>So if you guys want to change the name, where does it leave > users like > >>>me presenting papers at conferences and citing Lazarus in technical > >>>papers as my software of choice? > >>> > >>> > >> > >>Nice to hear that not all users believe into the imo stupid idea > to change the > >>name. I don't think either that the "board of directors" of > lazarus (Michael H., > >> Matthias, Marc, Vincents, Micha et al.) consider a name change :) > >> > >> > >Just for the record, I also think a name change is uncalled for. A > name > >change would have serious consequences - and we could start promoting > >everything from zero since the new name will be even less known then > >Lazarus. The word Lazarus is neither offensive or more ambiguous than > >other well known projects and companies. > > > >One more comment: Cheetah is the simbol of FPC, not lazarus. A > cheetah > >on a column is Lazarus. Now you don't see anyone calling FPC cheetah, > >nor calling Linux Pinguin. > > I agree with Andreas (and thank the "board of directors" and their > fine insight in dismissing this idea as being a total waste of time > and effort) Which "fine insight"? Calling it a "stupid idea" is a "fine insight"? ;-) > The drawbacks from a name change are phenomenal!!! Even without the "!!!", it would be exaggerated. > 1) Loss of current user base who don't keep up on the mailing > list and all of sudden can't find their product under the name they > know (and hopefully love) What is your estimate of the average IQ of a current user? :-) > 2) Loss of new user base. I have actively promoted Lazarus, > whenever asked, as a great tool/environment with my contacts. Don't > know how many have looked at it yet, but I'm going to be very > embarrassed if they do finally take my advice and check it out, and > it's called something different than what I was advertising. That's the contrary, there will be more new users more quickly (assuming the new name is good). Moreover, why all that panic around a simple change of name. That's a current practice. Many software editors make use of temporary names for the beta versions of their softwares. > 3) I suspect would require a lot of effort in renaming all sorts > of directories/web sites/links, blah blah blah on a global basis Yes, and this is the only valuable reason. A change of name could lead to too much work in rewriting for the Lazarus team. This is a problem because the possibility of a renaming has not been taken in account when starting the project. > 4) Same as #3 above on each existing users's personal computer(s) Renaming once for all a few directories is not a problem. > All this for some "cosmetics"? "Cosmetic"!? Some people are paid fortunes just to search for (and to find) the name of a new product. Are you saying that companies who pay them are wasting their money? > Much better that we quit talking > about this and get back to making a really great product that will > really "sell" itself based on it's stability and functionality, not > on whether it is called S__T or Lazarus. > > Just my two cents. Let's get back to work making Lazarus GREAT!!!!! Yes, and a change of name would be good in order to do that. Btw, why do you present things as if we have to choose between either a good name or a good quality. Asking for both of them, that's not possible? I agree that if a software is useful and of good quality, good name or bad name, it will be used. A bad name cannot kill a good software. But a good name can help it. And "Lazarus" is indeed very bad. What does this name suggest? Bringing back a death to the life. The first thing it leads to think of is the death. This is totally negative. "Lazarus" might be an appropriate name for a game where you have to destroy lots of death-alive ones in catacombs but there we are talking about a Pascal programming tool. Note that I don't say that naming the software "Lazarus" was a "stupid idea", no, I try to explain why I think it was a bad idea. "Stupid idea" is not an explanation, it is at most a peremptory judgement. Personally, and very frankly, I don't care whether the Lazarus team decides to change the name or not. Now, I know and use Lazarus. For me its name has no more importance, I know what is behind it. But this is not the case for those who don't know it yet. mm _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
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