I agree - I think we underestimate the desire for the (both LDS and
non-LDS) community to write our own versions of this software.  I
would love for the Church to provide an example for the community to
emulate (or some specs/license to abide by at first), and then release
the code for the community to write our own useful versions of the
software.  I think the APIs we keep hearing about will make all this
very possible.

Perhaps breaking up the new PAF into components, and then opening up a
community spec for developing each of those components may help get
one off the ground fairly quickly.  You could then pick and choose the
component you want to work on and work with other developers at the
church on that component.   There would be a spec for the church to
get what they want out of it, and then the code could finally be
released as true open-source when the project is finished.  I'd
definitely volunteer for such an effort.

Jesse

On 6/12/06, Manfred Riem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all,

I actually have a partial port of the current PAF to Java, but haven't
had much time to work on it. It is able to read and write information
to some degree. It has been tested on Windows, Mac OSX and FreeBSD.

Unfortunately I can't open up the source since I had to sign a license
and so forth. So if the Church can somehow open up that license a bit
More we could be well on our way with an Open-Sourced PAF.

Kind regards,
Manfred Riem
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.manorrock.org/

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Fry
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 8:26 AM
To: LDS Open Source Software
Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself...

As previously mentioned on this list, I think that PAF would be an excelent
piece of software for the Church to open source. It is something that almost
everyone needs and that many people use. In my experience most volunteer
software development is done by people working on software that they use and
care about. That is where much of the motivation comes from. This would make
PAF a prime candidate for open source development.

Charles

-----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself...
> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:26:52 -0600
> To: LDS Open Source Software <ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org>
> Reply-To: LDS Open Source Software <ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org>
>
> My name is Tom Welch.  I was recently recruited by the  Church to
> define an "open source" strategy for the Church.  What does this mean?
> Well, for years the Church has been a heavy user of open source
technology.
> Many of the back-end systems are all based upon open source software.
> In fact, the Church has contributed to certain open source projects
> with improvements that it has made.  Because of sensitivity issues,
> the Church has asked the individual developers to submit changes
> upstream in the developers name instead of the Church's name.  My
> role, however, is not to get the Church to use more open source
> software but is to figure out how we can leverage the OSS community to
> help build applications that the Church does not have the resources to do.
>
> *A little bit about me:*
>
> I am the former chief technology officer of Linspire, Inc
> <http://www.linspire.com>. (formally known as Lindows).  I resigned my
> post at Linspire to work on this project as I can see the huge benefit
> that enlisting the LDS development community can provide to the Church
> and to Church members.  I was with Linspire from the very beginning
> and have watched that company grow and become a success and am still
> involved with the leadership board of Freespire.org
> <http://www.freespire.org> (a completely free version of Linspire that
> will be available this summer).  I am also the author of the original
> scriptures reader that ran on the Palm and CE devices (EZ Reader).  I
> also wrote the original Franklin Day Planner software (Ascend) that
> was sold by Franklin Covey for years.  I've been around the "block"
> for many years and have seen the rise and success of open source
> software and I am very enthusiastic to be a part of it.
>
> As you think of the Church and the work that they do from a technology
> front, most of the work is done to benefit the Church as a whole.  By
> this I mean that the Church spends almost all of their technology
> resources in building programs that run the Church (membership
> records, financial, assets, missionary, family history, temple, etc).
> Very little "technology" money is spent benefiting individual members.
> That is why there are no "Duty to God" tracking software, scouting
> software, family preparedness software, ward mission software, etc.
> There are a lot of members that have written programs to help them in
> their Church callings but the Church has never really looked at or
> authorized any of these for use by the Church membership as a whole.
>
> My job is to try and change all of this by enlisting the LDS
> development community.  So my first job is to try and build an
> infrastructure to allow us all to communicate and collaborate on
> projects.  This mailing list (and the ldssoss.org website) is a good
> starting point but my vision is to take it so much further.  In the
> coming weeks I will share much more of our plans.  Please be patient
> because I have a lot to do to work within the parameters at the Church.
>
> *One point of caution, however:*
>
> One of the biggest concerns the Church has with endorsing or
> sponsoring a LDS Developers site is that the content on the site could
> get out of control.  Flame wars, rude behavior, religious debate, or
> other non-Christlike behavior will not be tolerated by the Church and
> will get any such endorsed site "unendorsed".  So it is up to us to
> show everyone and prove that we can work as a community to build great
> software that will benefit users and do all of this in a cooperative
> and Christlike way.  WE need to self moderate.
>
> Please feel free to contact me individually or through this list with
> ideas, questions, concerns, etc.  I'd love to hear all of your thoughts.
>
> Tom
> --
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (801) 240-1609
> (858) 829-4614 - Cell
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