On 2/7/02 at 10:07 AM, Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've always been attracted by this, even to the point of
> installed an OpenBSD 2.9 system to futz with.

I bought OpenBSD 2.6 - and just invested in OpenBSD 3.0 :)  Nice thing
to install on a Quadra 800 :)  Just installed OpenBSD 3.0 over the net
to an i386 too...

> But now, you're discussing doing something like this for
> LEAF. I do not like the idea of LEAF having its own
> development environment at all. As it stands currently,
> most default LEAF installs could be hooked up to the
> Internet with telnet wide open and no root password
> without causing a lot of damage -- the only really
> hazardous tool in there is ping, and the SSH packages
> don't include scp. There's no lrzsz or uuencode or nc, so
> uploading all those evil packages you've made is very
> difficult, and there's no compiler or headers so uploading
> source and compiling it is impossible. All that changes if
> the bad guy can merely cd
> /usr/src/ports/net/ettercap.

I'm not talking of putting a development environment into a router;
I'd be horrified if anyone did such a thing!  However, when you are
configuring a router, a make && make install with scp and keys would
be nice - and a call to ssh -c apkg -i /tmp/mypkg.lrp would be too. 
In fact, using NFS from the LEAF box has this benefit as well - except
its harder to extract NFS support from the box before you put it out
in harms way.

This is also nice if you are developing for LEAF - especially the NFS
method.  You can cd into the NFS mount, chroot, compile, install AND
test right away.  This would be VERY close to developing for LEAF on
LEAF...
--
David Douthitt
UNIX Systems Administrator
HP-UX, Unixware, Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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