On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 16:02 -0400, Calvin Webster wrote:

> Thank you for the suggestions Arne.
> 
> In my original post I was really looking for the fastest way to get 5
> LEAF routers and 5 or 6 minimal client hosts virtualized. I don't really
> want to have to spend a lot of time building and learning the VM tool
> before I can use it.
> 

ok, maybe you are right... took me only a few seconds to install it here
on my debian... But for the accelerated version you need the one from
cvs. There are precompiled binaries on the qemu side.

> [QEMU]
> 
> I took a look at the QEMU site. Some of the docs were a little hard to
> follow since they don't always say whether they're talking about host or
> guest OS.
> 
> I like the cross-platform support, but it seems like it's still somewhat
> "beta".
> 

>From my experience i wouldn't call it more beta the Xen or UML...

> Their comparison of other "emulators" claim that UML requires "heavy
> kernel patches", while QEMU is nice to unpatched kernels, but it's
> slower. Is this true?

yes, you just use something like:
qemu -fda Bering-uclibc-2.3beta2.img.bin
and it starts nicely from the standard Floppy image.
With the kernel module loaded it is much faster, i would suggest 2 or 3
times on my AMD 1800...

> 
> [VDE]
> 
> Is this required to connect QEMU machines? I don't see much about
> virtual networks in the docs.
> 
no, but it's the "smartest" way i know of. It creates virtual ethernet
hardware (switches, hubs, cables), which you can connect to the host
machine, but you don't need it... The standard qemu network support is
limited, and you need more configuration on the host...

> I don't see how this would help me create and test an _isolated_ virtual
> WAN. After reading the UML docs it seems that I can do this with the
> multicast and switch daemons, keeping the test traffic off my local LAN.
> 
vde is using some of the uml switch daemon code if i remember it right.
But maybe i missunderstand you what your intention is...


> [Summary]
> 
> QEMU seems well suited for software development, but for my uses I think
> UML or Xen is the way to go. I'm leaning toward UML for now since it
> supposedly requires no modification to the guest OS. I don't want to
> have to recompile the LEAF distro to get started.
> 
I can understand that ;-) I just wanted to mention it, as i use it
heavily for testing networks, not only leaf ones. Would take me a few
minutes to build a network of 5 machines, i suppose, but i have some
experience with it...

> Thank you for the info. I've bookmarked the sites for future reference.
> 
> --Cal Webster
> 

--arne

> 
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