Luke wrote:
> But I don't think you answered the implied question: how likely is there 
> to be a safe data migration path, once production versions are available?  
> (Or beta versions, for that matter?)

At the risk of being guilty of "me too".....

This is a pretty important issue. I'm disturbed by the idea that migration to 
1.3 could be a problem. I have many years of data that I couldn't manually 
migrate, and certainly wouldn't want to lose.

I imagine that a reasonable migration path is certainly a serious priority for 
the installed base of users.

regards,

David.

> I have not followed the list very closely in recent months, so if you have 
> made a definitive statement on that I apologize.
> 
> If we are reasonably sure that there will be one, then the willingness to 
> take those risks may go down significantly.  It would for me, at any rate, 
> although the lack of invoice printing is a killer for me (unless print to 
> PDF is possible, which I doubt).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Luke
>  
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, Chris Travers wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Stroller
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 27 Jun 2009, at 00:51, Chris Travers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a client with a 1.2.18 install but with only about 2-dozen
>>>>> entries.  I could easily have those reentered into 1.3 if 1.3 is
>>>>> considered stable enough.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, if this was important to do, my suggestion would be to do so
>>>> along with a support contract and consultation as to what exactly
>>>> would be needed to make it work for the business.
>>> I imagine the concern might be over migration to 1.3 in the future.
>>>
>>> I think you've said at least once that it's not certain whether safe
>>> migration of data from 1.2 will be possible - that it may be better to
>>> start a new database from scratch (at the beginning of a financial
>>> year?) when adopting 1.3.
>>
>> Well there are cases where 1.3 is better for some users at the moment than
>> 1.2.  The things that work, work well.  The things that don't work yet don't
>> work at all.
>>
>> The use case for this is where either heavy integration is required (and
>> human oversight over that integration is important), where the transactional
>> volume is very high, or where separation of duties is required....
>>
>> AND
>>
>> where interactions with customers using the software is minimal (i.e. check
>> printing works, but I don;t think that other transactions print cleanly at
>> the moment).  For example, invoice printing is currently not working.
>>
>> The areas which work are fairly well tested.  The areas which don't work
>> usually error out cleanly.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I would imagine that, if this is the case, there will be a strong
>>> temptation for new users to adopt 1.3 "before it's ready". This may
>>> not be advisable, perhaps, but it is understandable.
>>
>> Well, my job here is to provide what information may be needed so that folk
>> can decide whether or not this is the way they want to go.  My current
>> recommendation is to consult with my business FIRST, and discuss support
>> options.  The fact is that while in a few cases it may be preferable to work
>> with this software while it is in development, this is a VERY different
>> process from working with production versions, and failure to follow these
>> processes carefully can result in severe problems.  Such approaches require
>> much more cooperation with developers, awareness of what business processes
>> are relied on, etc.  Furthermore, in some cases, it may be preferable to
>> merely backport a few things from 1.3 to 1.2 rather than moving to a system
>> under active development.
>>
>> However, if 1.2 works reasonably well for you, then it would be a mistake to
>> migrate before 1.3.0 is released.
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>> Chris Travers
>>
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