"In this case the stories about Grayson and the impact on the team
appear to be light on fact and very heavy on rumour/conjecture."

That was my point. Every man and his dog can make an assumption based
on NOTHING and start a "debate". If someone is keen on that then go
out and buy Hello magazine.

However, even thought "fact are facts" they are open to interpretation
and thus they form a better foundation for a debate than online
slander. That is also my point.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:
> Now then children, please be quiet or the nasty man will make you sit on the 
> naughty step.
>
> Debate 'hygiene' ? Give over, all debates are based upon assumptions. You are 
> assuming that your point is most valid when you make it. You assume that 
> everyone will see it from your perspective, etc.
>
> Well defined assumptions form the basis of everything. It is only when you 
> assume based on poor grasp of facts that they make an 'ASS' out of 'U' and 
> 'ME'
>
> In this case the stories about Grayson and the impact on the team appear to 
> be light on fact and very heavy on rumour / conjecture.
>
> The only way we will ever find out would be if 'Player X' publicly states 
> 'Grayson knobbing Doris from Accounts has knocked team morale for six', we 
> all know that is unlikely to happen (unless the player had already left the 
> club upon revelation) as it would cause further rift, etc.
>
> Perhaps it might be better to discuss whether fans speculation of events and 
> the printing of speculation in newspapers, internet forums, etc, has an 
> impact on morale (be it negative or positive).
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 19 Dec 2011, at 12:22, "Dr Michael Benjamin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> But we do know Eric
>> We don't know who.
>> IMO it is bad enough with just that.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> On 19 December 2011 14:17, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Well if you dont KNOW and/or you cant prove it then dont come out
>>> firing all guns saying him shagging someone has impacted the team.
>>>
>>> Assumptions are not good foundations for a serious debate. its basic
>>> debate "hygiene" mate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> No
>>>> Don't want to either
>>>> None of my business -- details why. What I have is enough to say what I
>>>> said.
>>>> No point in repeating myself.
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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