> > Rich, I think that's a bit of a (typically) narrow view of it all, there are MP's > across ALL parties who are split on this, it just seems to be the one's in focus > are Gove & Johnson, both of whom are surely stating that they will never > lead the Tories should the remain campo win ... Which I think they will. It all > seems (To innocent, Harehills born, thicky me) very similar to the Scottish > Independent vote. All bluster and scare tactics (From both sides) But > ultimately 'the safe bet' will win.
I'm not sure why you think my view is (typically) narrow? The facts bear it out, the parliamentary Tory party is split pretty evenly 50/50, the Labour and Lib Dems MPs are, I believe at least 90/10 In, Greens 100% in and UKIP 100% Out. I appreciate that those numbers may not exactly tally with the parties voters though, particularly in the Labour Party. The vast majority of the press coverage so far has concentrated on the Tories and UKIP, with Labour only recently making any effort. I've been canvasing (albeit very briefly) in Brighton and most people are confused and quite a few angry that we are even having a referendum, don't we pay our MPs to make these long term very complicated decisions? I don't think a remain will stop Johnson from leading the Tories, Cameron is a busted flush whatever happens. > The vociferousness of the exit camp should anyone DARE suggest their own > opinion (Obama, The IMF, Just about every world leader, Mark Carney, The > TUC, 450 out of 650 MP's etc. ALL of who suggest we'd be better off > remaining) smacks to me of Empirical behaviour, still thinking we own half > the World ... which we don't! and sticking your fingers in your ears and > shouting LA LA LA if anyone dare to put forward a sensible argument against > you. 100% agree. > FWIW, I'm also in, mainly because I think we need to look to the future and > not the past. The World is shaping up to be made up of 5 super powers; > America, Russia, China, The Middle Eastern Oil countries and Europe, if we're > not at one of those 'top tables' we'll be an insignificant voice in the distance > shouting "Listen to us, we used to be important". Also, in OR out will not > stop immigration! So I cannot understand people thinking voting out will > change that one iota. Again 100% agree. > When the undecided 10% close the curtain and put their X down, they will > (It's a very British instinct) err on the side of caution and stay with what they > have. Just like they did in Scotland. 55-60% to 40-45% In on June 23rd I > reckon! I hope you are right, but comparisons with the Scots debate aren't totally useful, from talking to quite a few people, it is clear that the problem will be getting the Remain vote out. There are plenty of spittle chinned swivel eyed passionate Leavers around, many less on the Remain side. Another difference is that the majority of the press are pretty much every day peddling the Leave stories. _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
