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> On 8 Jun 2016, at 12:32, ejwalsh <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Greeks voted to end austerity which is there right. > However what did they expect then? > They wanted monies from other countries to run there state which has not > functioned for at least the past 30 years. > Basically they wanted money from everyone without the requirement to pay it > back. > Look at what happened to Argentina when it decided to burn its bondholders no > one will now lend them money. > On a personal basis if you lent money to a friend who got into financial > difficulties and he decided that he was not going to pay you back would you > lend him money again. > This is what happened to the Greeks. > It is there right to elect any government they want but it is also the right > of their lenders to say sorry we are not going to fund you. > How would any government look at their own people if the turned around and > said well we lost all our money that we lent to them and they want some more > which we are going to give them with no questions asked. > Calling an end to austerity is all well and good-if you are not paying for it. > In Ireland we went through a very hard time and are coming through it now (if > very slowly) but if we had declared an end to austerity and acted as the > Greeks have down we would still be in the depths of recession. > Over the past five years our unemployment rate has dropped from over 15% to > 7.8% > I know that migration is a big issue in the referendum but I understand that > the bulk of this comes from outside the EU and on a net benefit immigrants > give more to the state than take. > On an economic basis it seems to me that the no side have no idea what will > happen if you do leave and whilst I have little doubt that the yes side are > playing up the economic argument it is difficult to see what is the benefit > of leaving. > Do people seriously think that the major trading blocks will accept a trade > only agreement with the Uk. > On leaving the UK will be a small fish in a big sea and the big fish will > demand an awful lot to access there countries. > >> On 8 Jun 2016, at 11:55, Peter Castlehouse <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Ian, that's the most balanced argument I have seen so far, on any forum, >> Facebook crappy page or whatever. I commend you. >> I'm also glad Ian that you were able to vote. I have been out of the >> homeland way too long, to be able to have my say. >> >> from another exiled conviction-free Brit in the land of people who descend >> from bread thieves and so on >> Pete C >> t'original one >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Leedslist [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Murray >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2016 8:47 PM >> To: Matt Anderson <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: EU >> >> I'm voting out not because of any Muslim issue! >> >> I'm voting out for reasons of democracy. The commission is the executive and >> is unelected. Look at what they did to Greece, the Greeks voted >> overwhelmingly to end the austerity imposed upon them and were ignored. >> Technocrat governments have been installed in failing eu economies like >> Italy. >> >> It seems to me that the eu in general and specifically the Eurozone works >> only in the interests of Germany. >> >> There is some nationalism in my reasons too. Fundamentally I think that our >> system of law and government is superior, and I prefer to keep it. Was I >> happy at being inundated with Eastern Europeans changing the culture and >> landscape of my hometown? No. I don't remember being consulted about that. >> It's completely facile to say that that makes me racist. In the words of >> Alan Partridge 'it doesn't'. >> >> I get I live in Australia now and can be criticised for voting. But here's >> an example - my partner is Aussie and if we wanted to live in the UK we'd >> have to jump through a million hurdles to get her a visa. My Aussie mate has >> a Lithuanian partner and he would get a visa automatically, to live in >> England. As an Englishman, this makes me actually angry. So yeah, I'm voting >> out. >> >> I don't feel that the economic consequences will be anywhere near as dire as >> Cameron makes out. They can't be as bad as 2008, and we survived that. >> >> My two € cents. >> >> MOT >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 8 Jun 2016, at 17:16, Matt Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Exactly! I despise politicians they are all in it for themselves not >>> us. You only have to look at boris's pro eu comments when it suited >>> him a couple of years ago >>> >>> However we voted for them and they should be doing stuff like this. If we >>> don't want them to do that vote them out in 3 years and vote for someone >>> that does. >>> >>> My problem is that a large % of people are too stupid to vote on this. >>> The popular theme in my ukip local is we want our country back higher >>> wages and keep them Muslims out >>> >>> Last time I looked Poland wasn't an Islamic hotbed. And the wages are >>> just regressing to the mean after over inflation. £100k a year for low >>> quality cockney plumbers a few years ago >>> >>> For the reasons above I hate the EU, self serving politicians but.... >>> Europe is shifting right and this lot will be gone in a couple of years. >>> >>> There is no reason to leave a world power trade block based on not >>> liking Muslims >>> >>> Democracy is over rated >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 8 Jun 2016, at 10:05, Richard Naef <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> Rich, I think that's a bit of a (typically) narrow view of it all, >>>>> there >>>> are MP's >>>>> across ALL parties who are split on this, it just seems to be the >>>>> one's in >>>> focus >>>>> are Gove & Johnson, both of whom are surely stating that they will >>>>> never lead the Tories should the remain campo win ... Which I think they >>>>> will. >>>> It all >>>>> seems (To innocent, Harehills born, thicky me) very similar to the >>>> Scottish >>>>> Independent vote. All bluster and scare tactics (From both sides) >>>>> But ultimately 'the safe bet' will win. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure why you think my view is (typically) narrow? The facts >>>> bear it out, the parliamentary Tory party is split pretty evenly >>>> 50/50, the Labour and Lib Dems MPs are, I believe at least 90/10 In, >>>> Greens 100% in and UKIP 100% Out. I appreciate that those numbers >>>> may not exactly tally with the parties voters though, particularly in >>>> the Labour Party. The vast majority of the press coverage so far has >>>> concentrated on the Tories and UKIP, with Labour only recently making any >>>> effort. >>>> >>>> I've been canvasing (albeit very briefly) in Brighton and most people >>>> are confused and quite a few angry that we are even having a referendum, >>>> don't >>>> we pay our MPs to make these long term very complicated decisions? >>>> >>>> I don't think a remain will stop Johnson from leading the Tories, >>>> Cameron is a busted flush whatever happens. >>>> >>>> >>>>> The vociferousness of the exit camp should anyone DARE suggest their >>>>> own opinion (Obama, The IMF, Just about every world leader, Mark >>>>> Carney, The TUC, 450 out of 650 MP's etc. ALL of who suggest we'd be >>>>> better off >>>>> remaining) smacks to me of Empirical behaviour, still thinking we >>>>> own half the World ... which we don't! and sticking your fingers in >>>>> your ears and shouting LA LA LA if anyone dare to put forward a >>>>> sensible argument >>>> against >>>>> you. >>>> >>>> 100% agree. >>>> >>>> >>>>> FWIW, I'm also in, mainly because I think we need to look to the >>>>> future >>>> and >>>>> not the past. The World is shaping up to be made up of 5 super >>>>> powers; America, Russia, China, The Middle Eastern Oil countries and >>>>> Europe, if >>>> we're >>>>> not at one of those 'top tables' we'll be an insignificant voice in >>>>> the >>>> distance >>>>> shouting "Listen to us, we used to be important". Also, in OR out >>>>> will not stop immigration! So I cannot understand people thinking >>>>> voting out will change that one iota. >>>> >>>> Again 100% agree. >>>> >>>>> When the undecided 10% close the curtain and put their X down, they >>>>> will (It's a very British instinct) err on the side of caution and >>>>> stay with >>>> what they >>>>> have. Just like they did in Scotland. 55-60% to 40-45% In on June >>>>> 23rd I reckon! >>>> >>>> I hope you are right, but comparisons with the Scots debate aren't >>>> totally useful, from talking to quite a few people, it is clear that >>>> the problem will be getting the Remain vote out. There are plenty of >>>> spittle chinned swivel eyed passionate Leavers around, many less on the >>>> Remain side. >>>> Another difference is that the majority of the press are pretty much >>>> every day peddling the Leave stories. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>> Info and options: >>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER
