> This thread itself has seen the adoption of Bates original propaganda > that > anyone who even appeared to be against him must have been guilty of > previously obtaining free or subsidised tickets. Nice trick, this > tirade > against the nameless and unidentified freeloaders who were draining the > club > of funds. Given where we are right now surely people don't still > swallow > this without question.
Rick, I think you will find that this (and other threads back in the day) stem simply from the fact that posts from 'scratchingshed' and others chipped in, whilst there was a genuine debate going on, with obtuse comments and/or what seemed like riddles to the rest of us. Clarification was sought, none was forthcoming most of the time. There was probably a reason behind the inability to spell out what the issue was, but we weren't even told that. I know this for a fact, yes a proper fact and not just a figure of speech, as on occasions I was told the reason or the riddle was explained off list. So I know that not everything can be made public due to betraying confidences etc etc. But, as then, it is incredibly frustrating to have that kind of input to a list debate. I think the phrase used a lot (not by myself) in previous debates was 'put up or shut up', which I am sure you remember. This 'debate' is slightly different. I cant see any reason why you yourself didn't spell out, as you did a couple of days ago, why you have a problem with Bates/CVA/buyback. You seem to be doing so now without any problem. Does that make sense? For example, if you had said "Willis has asked the house to investigate the buyback, I think this is a good thing because Bates has taken the piss, used underhand tactics etc and I am worried because his offer had no provision for team strengthening, the club needs investment desperately and I cannot see anyone wanting to invest whilst Bates is in charge. I also do not think this will affect materially the team on the pitch, indeed if we get a new owner they will hopefully want rid of Wise because I think he is a useless little twerp". THEN I (and others) would have known where you were coming from and quite possibly 'debated' on the inward investment possibility or Wise's ability to get us up. I would then have seen that you didn't really consider Wise's preparations as important, and therefore any issue of potential disruption as less important than those of us who thinks he could do a good job this season. You wouldn't have seen the investigation on Bates as a threat to the football team in the same was as I do (as I see Wise as important this season), and therefore I would not necessarily have thought 'there must be more to it'. _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. Leedslist mailing list [email protected] http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist Join The Leeds United Supporters Trust at www.lufctrust.org
