I completely disagree. Football has always been 'larger than life'. We are allowed heroes and villains. Anyone that goes back into a wrecked plane is a hero. Full stop. They got on with it. Those that could were back on the pitch in days. What do we have today? Fucking compassionate leave when you mangle your own dick by mistake. Those were the days of John Wayne. Now it is Michael Jackson. As a kid is how I remember it. And that is how I want to remember it. In those days Good was good and Bad was bad. Nowadays we devalue the good by besmirching it and legitimise the bad by explaining. The guys then were heroes. A nation looked up to them. You cannot change that. And singing tawdry chauvinistic puerile songs about a tragic death is bad. Very bad. Michael
Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist ------------------------------- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com ------------------------------ Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com -------------------------------- Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ -------------------------------- Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com Sent from Ramat Gan, Israel On 15 February 2010 23:41, Sam Gibbard <[email protected]> wrote: > > Heroes?? Steady on. It was a tragedy, no doubt, but to describe them as > heroes is a bit disingenuous is it not? > > > > Why do people mock the Munich Air crash? Why do some people resent having > to take a reverential bow every time this event is brought up? For many, it > is not the fact that people died in the crash, but the way manu have since > used the event. > > > > In 1949, Italian club Torino ENTIRE club was wiped out in an air crash. > Where do we hear about this every year? It was indeed sad that a player like > Duncan Edwards dies, and the other players and civilians, but in terms of > real life, this was the type of accident that happens every day around the > world. > > > > I have read an interesting look into the aftermath of Munich, and Non-manu > fans, even weeks after the event were already tired of the prolonged and > unhealthy mass hysteria surrounding this event. Manu were allowed to loan > players against the rules after the crash, and as manu reached the FA Cup > final, the press were whipping everyone into a frenzy, manu were "the > people's team" and had a perceived god given right to the Cup. Bolton beat > them 2-0 in the final however, and the Bolton team coach was stoned as it > drove back through Manchester. > > > > I hate the Munich songs. I also hate having to hear about Munich from the > media, and see manu exploit it commercially. Yes. That picture of the 'Busby > babes' with an AIG logo on it. > http://thesightisinend.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/babesmen_468x310.jpg Not > to mention the fact that this massive banner is above their club shop. > The whole thing stinks. > > > > Its not the biggest tragedy that has ever happened in football, and it was > over 50 years ago now. Could we move on from this, and possibly have a > scaled down remembrance that doesn't involve replica shirts, and selling > merchandise, or forcing people to collectively mourn? > > > > The perception that many have benefited commercially and by raising their > profile globally through Munich, as hard as it may be to hear, is hard to > discount, and the notion that football fans should "have a soft spot" for > them because of it, well, there you go. Its not pretty, and it hasn't been > for a long time. So maybe its time to move on from Munich. And that includes > manchester. I don't have a problem with them commemorating it themselves, > but if you want to talk about heroes, please don't include the Munich air > crash as such. > > > > Tragic? Yes. Heroes? No. Members of the Football Battalion that lost their > lives in WWI were heroes, the deaths in Munich were a tragic loss, no more, > no less. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:06:35 +0200 > > To: [email protected] > > CC: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [LU] Still Smells of Fish > > > > How to become very unpopular........................... > > > > Fergie bailed us out twice. > > Came to Billy's funeral. > > Said that he was awed at the atmosphere at ER. > > > > In fact I never could handle the sickening Munich Songs that make me > cringe. > > How can any normal human being rejoice at the demise of so many young men > & > > a truly great team in the making? > > > > I remember the 1st game after Munich against Sheffield Wednesday in the > cup. > > ManU which that day was a bunch of kids & Ernie Taylor won 3-1. There > > wasn't a dry eye in England that night. Bobby Charlton was a hero and > above > > all the goalie Gregg who went back into the wreck. The lingering death of > > Duncan Edwards and Matt Busby getting his final rights and yet pulling > > through. They all memories of epic proportion. > > > > For me they were all heroes on the same ranking as Capt Carson & Tugman > > Dante of Flying Enterprise fame. > > > > So I really wish we could the puerile hating and obscene psychotic > bantering > > behind us. ManU are a great team with a great record & history. I only > wish > > we could rise to their level and certainly not see them fall to ours. > > Michael > > > > Dr Michael Benjamin, > > Community Psychiatrist > > ------------------------------- > > myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT > > http://www.myRay.com > > ------------------------------ > > Mental Health: > > http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com > > -------------------------------- > > Auditing || Quality Control > > http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ > > -------------------------------- > > Blog: > > http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators > accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > www.leedslist.net > > _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. 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