OK, wrong assumption. Makes no odds. Vuvuzelas are killing the singing, which is one of the joys of football.
Nigel. On 14 June 2010 13:30, Greg Adams <[email protected]> wrote: > No. > > Nigel Barber wrote: > > Are you white? > > I stepped in because you went hysterical over a minor criticism. > > > Nigel. > > > > On 14 June 2010 10:14, Greg Adams <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hence my questions, which I'll repeat here. Is Nigel assuming I am white ( > and have guilt complex) or is he saying I am a black man with a white guilt > complex? > > My guess is he was trying to be funny and maybe stepped in it? But lets > wait to hear from Nigel. > > Greg > > Andy Clayton wrote: > > > > Greg - you seriously need to have a word with yourself. He never mentioned > your colour. > > > On 14 June 2010 09:42, Greg Adams <[email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]> <[email protected]>> wrote: > > What makes you think I'm white? Oh, Right. I am not called Mandla > or Vuyolethu so I must be white. Unless you are suggesting I am a > black man with a white guilt complex? > > Your comments says more about you than me inho. > > Greg > > Nigel Barber wrote: > > Greg, you've got some serious whitey guilt complex there. > > "He said African. Stone him!" > > > Nigel. > > > > On 14 June 2010 08:47, Greg Adams <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>>> wrote: > > Because Africa is black, the vast majority of Africans are > black. > And because by far the majority of people who play, watch > and run > the game in Africa are black! The vuvuzela was used by black > people at football stadiums where the majority of > supporters are > black. It is only very recently that the vast majority of > white > South Africans - who are mainly rugby union supporters - have > taken to the vuvuzela. You might think (delude yourself?) that > when you say African you don't mean black, but African > people know > that when people say African, they mean black. I have lived in > South Africa a long time, and I can guarantee you that any > black > man or woman in this country will tell you the same. It is > born > of a long history of colonialism and slavery by - amongst > others - > european settlers. You cannot distinguish between black and > African in this context. Pathetic? I don't think so. > > But it is your second paragraph that intrigues me most. > Would you > care to explain how does football values get diluted by the > competition being given to an African country? Just what are > these values you are talking about? And who gets to decide what > these values are? > > I have been on the list for a long time, and I don't recall you > saying anything about football values being compromised > when the > WC was held in Japan and Korea. Or Germany for that > matter. So > what do you expect me to think? > > Just to clarify : I am not saying that you are a racist ( I > don't > know you well enough to judge), but I am saying that your > statement could be construed as being racist in its content. I > certainly picked it up that way. > > Greg > > > Richard Walker wrote: > > Greg, > > I said I wouldn't expect anything else from the > Africans. So > that means 'AFRICANS' I.e the people who play the game, the > people who watch the game and the people who run the > game. Why > the fuck bring colour into it ? Pathetic! > Just to clarify my point I was implying that football > vlues as > we know them are being diluted by giving the biggest > competition in the world to countries like South > Africa. Yes > it's a world cup but that doesn't mean I have to like it. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Jun 2010, at 22:04, Greg Adams > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>>> > > > wrote: > > Richard Walker wrote: > > <snip> > > I wouldn't have expected anything else from the Africans . > > So, tell us richard, do you include the white africans in > this? Or only the black ones? > > Sounds like a racist statement to me. > > And anyway, if you took the time to look, you'll see > lots of > supporters in the colors of other teams blowing on > these horns. > > The vast majority of the visiting supporters have said that > the vuvuzela actually adds to the atmosphere in the > stadium, > and you cant walk anywhere without seeing Brazilians, > Mexicans, Africans, Asians and yes, even pale faced > europeans > with the horns. > > So lets see, the tournament has started, the stadiums > are all > complete, no white women have been raped by big black > men with > huge horns (pun intended), no young (white) kids have been > hacked to death, so what shall we moan about? 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