HI Guys. The artistry is Awesome, the skill and craftsmanship is impressive. I remember something about the Japaneses build with soft woods like pine and cypress, A few years back I bought a pull saw from Rockler, (much like what you see in some of the videos.) Although it did cut well, the teeth started bending or breaking very quickly. ( I was warned about the teeth breaking easily.) When I inquired why...? I was told that Oak and hard maple types of wood are harder woods than what the saw was made for. (now before someone starts to argue about the fine art of steel and cutting edges with me, Let me say the kiln dried woods, of the likes of Oak &... will kill even the best tools,sooner or latter.) Joe is right about time/money. I remember talking to Mike about a piece, a while back. He admitted it was nice. but it also must have taken 80 hours to make, I remember his statement, to go something like this. "It would be hard to sell that pencil box for $1000.00". ;-) I just guess we have to fine that fine line that lies somewhere between artistry and practicality . Have a good night all. C.A.G. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:03:13 PM Subject: RE: Have YOU made a "splice" like this? Good one Roger lolo Plenty of wood not enough money in Bills timber buying account From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger P Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2014 9:46 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Have YOU made a "splice" like this? Hi Bill Now how come you have no timber, Australia is one hell of a big island, it has so few inhabitants so there is plenty of wood to go around. Excuses my friend, go build a temple dedicated to the saw dust god called Legacy! Radar Roger & out! From: Bill Bulkeley Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:37 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Have YOU made a "splice" like this? I think these guys are real tradesmen incredible joints and as for them shrinking or moving or failing or not up to code these guys have only been making these temples for thousands of years and they are built to withstand like earth quakes and only fall down when the rest of the city does Otherwise there still standing to my way of thinking the joints must work up to code or not I’m not sure if I could do such a neat joint on such a large beam and have it fit so perfect with mostly hand tools. looking at the video you’d be lucky to fit a piece of paper between the joint I for one am very impressed and I’m totally jealous I haven’t got such large beautiful timber to play with lolol What type of wood do you think there using Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2014 4:09 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Cc: mwfos...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Have YOU made a "splice" like this? okay, being the pessimist that i am, here goes...a few observations, in no particular order...1) this seems to be a beam that is to be used in exposed wood construction. i would think it would not pass our building codes. but we do not know the length of the beam, so can't say for sure 2) is it practical to do this type of joinery, when thinking of a building budget? i would think a lot of us could do this joint after seeing this video, but exactly how much time does it take to complete it? i am in a business where i have seen people spend ridiculously large amounts of money on making things, but even so, every job has a balance between artistry and budget. but i will assume this temple's construction budget warrants this type of intense labor 3)regarding that driven-in wedge. the grain of the wood seems to run the length of the wedge. question-if the wedge should shrink over time, would that compromise the joint? since the tightness of the wedge is what keeps everything tightly together. not saying that the joint would ever separate,obviously, but still, would the beam ever sag just a bit, because of wood shrinkage? even the small tab at the end of the joint, if it shrinks, could cause a bit of sagging, perhaps...personally, i would go with laminated, solid wood(not the "strand" stuff) beams with decorative iron joist hangers and/or brackets and braces...when it comes to a roof over my head, i'll go with strength (with small bit of artistry) over pure artistry every time...but i do find it interesting...thanks for the post and all comebacks welcome! On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:37:20 AM UTC-4, Va Oak wrote: Mike, Thanks for sharing the link - I hadn't seen it. That's what you call "precision joinery on a MASSIVE scale"! I am impressed at how well it all seems to fit together so tightly. Appears the only metal/steel used in the construction of the temple is in the blades used to make the cuts - NOT in screws & bolts. Amazing! I can't help but wonder - this method of construction must be more seismically compatible - vs using bolts/screws. What do you think? I shudder at thinking what this would cost to do in North America. It would probably never pass "code" either. Any bets that Joe B. in NYC is already figuring out how to make these in his "Big Bertha"? LoL (Joe - you there?) Mac -----Original Message----- From: "Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" Sent: Oct 28, 2014 9:03 PM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Have YOU made a "splice" like this? Intro Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuBBDDOSSY0 On 10/28/2014 8:03 PM, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) wrote: <blockquote> Look at their intro video, it shows quite a few of their joints in construction of a temple. Mike OK On 10/28/2014 6:41 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote: <blockquote> Hello Mac. Now that's impressive! The machine is pretty Cool, but that interlocking wedge joint is something that I would like to learn more about . Thanks for the heads up. C.A.G. From: mwfo...@earthlink.net To: "LOM - Tim" <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:59:19 PM Subject: Have YOU made a "splice" like this? I know that some of ya'll will end up trying to replicate what this craftsman is seen doing. (Joe - that includes you. Send us pics of you making this joint.) http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/hand-tools/a-traditional-locking-scarf-jointnot-so-traditionally-made_o.aspx?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=jump&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=JLCNL_102314&day=2014-10-23&he=1b08e8b0803fc50bb62caed67108d12dfaaabc74 Enjoy. Mac </blockquote> </blockquote> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . No virus found in this message. 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