thanks Dan,
Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager <cdkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw > chucks and found > a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one in > there somewhere) > that just screwed on the REVO. I've considered putting a bigger chuck on > the REVO, > but for now and for me, why? Not yet. For one thing I need to do more > woodwork with > it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on this > just isn't sturdy > enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed > "chuck" (pictures > in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it. And I > modified one of my > many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I apply > the REVO > drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then > just move it to the > REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff. > Consistency in > "production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at the > REVO. I work > mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples. > > Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a small > 4 jaw chuck > that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see. > DanK > > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: > >> Yea I bought one of those a few weeks to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my >> revo >> >> >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM >> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist >> >> >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> >> >> More is better right lol! >> >> I have attached something else you may want to consider. >> >> These are sold through Penn State, very well made too. >> >> I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my >> Shopsmith, >> >> And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned. >> >> >> >> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> OH SNAP! Tim, you're an enabler, yes? LOL! >> >> After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system >> >> worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds >> >> the means to move the pin into another ring. >> >> >> >> Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC >> >> and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20. Oh >> dear! >> >> Another project. For another day. Or year maybe. Slippery slope. >> Somebody stop me....! >> >> >> >> Help? (he says faintly) >> >> >> >> DanK >> >> P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is >> enough.24 is enough. >> >> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >> >> Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we >> will see some magic happen >> >> From you from now on >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager >> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist >> >> >> >> I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlessly....so far. I >> was able to >> >> bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state. >> >> >> >> Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread >> into >> >> where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for >> >> tolerance and got a good bind on the index arm firmly to the spindle >> axis. >> >> I didn't push the limits of the cleanup spins at the ends, so they will >> be >> >> cleaned up by hand. Maybe the whole handle will be replaced. >> >> >> >> And last but not least, two of the four stops have been replaced with >> these >> >> unbendable ones. >> >> >> >> I'm really happy with how this now works. Any number of reliably >> repeatable indexable starts.. >> >> No more math or stop blocks.Can spin cut just by releasing the lateral >> screw and locking the X axis. >> >> Mission accomplished. >> >> DanK >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >> >> Well done Dan the spoon looks great looks like you’re getting there >> >> Don’t ever worry about things looking a little rough prototypes always >> are till you get all the bugs ironed out just keep moving forward >> >> Neat can come later when everything is working well . fun isn’t it 😊 >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager >> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 July 2022 11:55 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist >> >> >> >> Bill, you're "preaching to the choir" about irreversible mods! >> Absolutely correct you are. >> >> And none of my efforts have permanently changed anything but the process >> of using it. >> >> I am convinced now after today's efforts that this definitely (at least >> in my world) will >> >> change how twists are done. Here's the latest. But first, the spoon. >> >> >> >> Today I sorted out how to get the gears arranged so the SIG is outside >> giving me space to to >> >> install a proper spring loaded index pin on the outside. First order of >> business was to flip the >> >> gears as described above. Then replace the SIG plug with a spacer >> bushing. My poor machining >> >> shows boldly here, but it works OK in spite. I hate it when mistakes like >> this occur and to >> >> satisfy my OCD, I might remake it! Still getting used to DRO positioning. >> >> Back side of SiG with the previous bushing modified to accommodate the >> SIG bushing. >> >> >> >> Here is the view showing the flipped gears with SIG on the outside and >> installed on >> >> the bushings. I will have to remake the index arm and thanks to your >> prompting ordered >> >> an appropriate size spring loaded index pin with ring for it. But you can >> see how this >> >> "improvement" gives space for it on the outside. The weak point in the >> security of the >> >> sync is the friction holding the index arm to the spindle. Moving the >> arm outboard, I lost >> >> use of the registration flats. >> >> The good news here is that the SIG can be put back into original position >> so the original >> >> indexing pin and crank arrangement can be used for straight machining. >> >> >> >> This is where the new index arm will be mounted. As you can see it's wide >> open. If you look real >> >> closely, you will notice that the SIG bushing is too thick and pinches >> it's free wheel motion. The >> >> inner bushing should be the one protruding. Easily fixed, just another >> accumulated error thing. I >> >> was too anxious to share pictures. So I will make the new index arm and >> maybe a temporary index >> >> pin while waiting for the spring loaded one to come in. No REVO parts >> were harmed. >> >> >> >> Now, the carriage stops are another thing. I'll have to look up a mod >> that I think Tim posted about >> >> that. >> >> DanK >> >> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:06:45 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >> >> A word of advice Dan from someone who has tried a few legacy mods in the >> past always make sure you don’t alter things too much beyond the point >> >> Where you can’t change it all back to a stock standard mill where you >> started in case something unforeseen happens that you didn’t see coming and >> the mod doesn’t work as planned, >> >> Now after saying that I cant wait to see your mod in action oh and one >> last thing the longer the legacy indexing pin becomes the more slop and >> movement there will be when indexing for doing reeds, flutes and flats you >> may need to make a break clamp for the index gear. Good luck buddy >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager >> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 July 2022 1:54 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist >> >> >> >> The gears flipped easily with a tiny (about 1/16") adjustment in the feed >> screw shaft. >> >> Now the SIG runs on the outside opening up spring pin possibilities on >> the now outboard index arm. >> >> I have made a shouldered bushing to space the SIG about 1/2" outward, the >> shoulder for the gear >> >> to run on freely and to be able to tighten the axis bolt enough to hold >> the index arm in secure sync.. >> >> I lose the otherwise secure index arm lock on the flats of the axis and >> have to make a new index arm. >> >> It looks like the stock index pin will barely reach the SIG in its new >> position for use with non-spiral >> >> indexed cuts, untested yet. There may be some adjustments available if >> needed. >> >> >> >> When It's all put back together, I'll get some more pictures. It looks >> possible now and I'm excited (again). >> >> This is as much fun as making the wood stuff! >> >> DanK >> >> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:30:10 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Will be interesting to see what happens. Anything to make improvements >> right. >> >> Easier is better as long as its accurate. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:08 AM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking. If I enlarge the hole >> in the SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be >> max) and make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the >> SIG, then by flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on >> the outside of its driver. This would eliminate the clearance issue and a >> spring post could be used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping >> the gears is possible yet, but imma find out. >> >> >> >> When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the >> text shorter. But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently. >> >> DanK >> >> >> >> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >> >> I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen >> having to be moved >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM >> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist >> >> >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> >> >> Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the >> full width of the screen for that very reason. >> >> It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across and >> hit enter and start a new line. >> >> this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to >> many times but these >> >> are starting out that way. >> >> Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if >> only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the >> arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement >> that is eliminated when my screw tightens. Yes, the fit on the flats is >> almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that >> can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and >> it barely clears. Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. >> If I were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be >> different. I could make another spindle... >> >> >> >> Re: margins. I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have assumed >> automatic margin controls on other devices. If not, how does one limit the >> margins on desktop? For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 width, but I >> doubt it will make a difference. >> >> >> >> DanK >> >> >> >> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> >> >> Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need >> space to make it work. >> >> Way faster than screws or cap screws. >> >> When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read >> when you have to scroll left to right or vise versa. >> >> Anyway check out these and let me know what you think. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1 >> >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:37 PM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw >> driver better. I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat >> head hex machine screw. I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, >> so I threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG >> to thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the >> connection tight. I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on >> a straight, non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis. With >> the gears disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as >> long as the arm remains pinned to the SiG. It's in the middle of some test >> runs and the first three passes of 8 worked just fine. It really doesn't >> take much time to move the pin (screw) to the next index, but it is not as >> fast as a tapered pin like the original. It will get better with the socket >> head screw. I'm open to ideas. >> >> >> >> I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it >> today. It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will >> be the makeup for a photo in a couple days. >> >> The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I buggered >> up using the "old" methods. >> >> >> >> DanK >> >> >> >> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >> >> Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back >> instead of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might >> help speed up your indexing time . I can see how your idea works without a >> video, it is a different way of indexing the starts on a spiral the idea is >> very similar to curts design I can see how it will make indexing easier >> and more simple for you as curts one did for him. >> >> I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I >> find it more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as >> long as they are comfortable with it is the important thing as curt says >> there a many ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral >> each way is all good >> >> Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods. >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager >> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist >> >> >> >> I did post a link to a very short video >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing> >> about the index arm movement. I'm not set up for video making. The >> pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting >> enough to show a couple starts. I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon >> so that might be a good candidate tomorrow. >> >> DanK >> >> >> >> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> >> >> Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and >> post it as well so we >> >> can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together? >> >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The final piece has been made and installed. I am thrilled that FINALLY, >> one of my ideas has worked out! And it does work reliably. The weak part >> of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads >> into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a >> slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am >> planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench >> work and easier to insert into next hole. >> >> >> >> DanK >> >> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: >> >> Hello Dan >> >> >> >> Very nice work On your spoon! >> >> >> >> I am very happy for you. >> >> >> >> Keep up the good work, >> >> I too, am looking >> >> forward to seeing your bowl. >> >> >> >> C.A.G. >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au < >> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to >> see the bowl >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* First LOM twist >> >> >> >> Hi guys. I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first >> involute spur gear for one of my machines. >> >> >> >> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to >> mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another >> first...the first twists cut on the REVO. Used a straight 1/2" up cut >> spiral bit against the side. Six starts. Not much to look at for design >> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully. >> Another smaller spoon is on its way. >> >> >> >> Now to carve the bowl. 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