Yes indeed Dan, I am as excited as you are and truly look forward to your progress pix. And I agree making mods and changes is as much fun as running material with them. Your email was perfect and stayed within the parameters and was perfect. Thanks for that. I really like your attention to detail and motivation on your project and could become a turning point for some of these machines. Keep up the good work Dan.
Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 10:54 AM Dan Krager <cdkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > The gears flipped easily with a tiny (about 1/16") adjustment in the feed > screw shaft. > Now the SIG runs on the outside opening up spring pin possibilities on the > now outboard index arm. > I have made a shouldered bushing to space the SIG about 1/2" outward, the > shoulder for the gear > to run on freely and to be able to tighten the axis bolt enough to hold > the index arm in secure sync.. > I lose the otherwise secure index arm lock on the flats of the axis and > have to make a new index arm. > It looks like the stock index pin will barely reach the SIG in its new > position for use with non-spiral > indexed cuts, untested yet. There may be some adjustments available if > needed. > > When It's all put back together, I'll get some more pictures. It looks > possible now and I'm excited (again). > This is as much fun as making the wood stuff! > DanK > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:30:10 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Will be interesting to see what happens. Anything to make improvements >> right. >> Easier is better as long as its accurate. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> 14171 160th Ave. >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:08 AM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking. If I enlarge the hole >>> in the SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be >>> max) and make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the >>> SIG, then by flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on >>> the outside of its driver. This would eliminate the clearance issue and a >>> spring post could be used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping >>> the gears is possible yet, but imma find out. >>> >>> When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the >>> text shorter. But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently. >>> DanK >>> >>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >>> >>>> I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen >>>> having to be moved >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com < >>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >>>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM >>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey Dan, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the >>>> full width of the screen for that very reason. >>>> >>>> It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across >>>> and hit enter and start a new line. >>>> >>>> this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to >>>> many times but these >>>> >>>> are starting out that way. >>>> >>>> Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more. >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>>> >>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>>> >>>> 14171 160th Ave. >>>> >>>> Foreston MN 56330 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >>>> >>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat >>>> if only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that >>>> the arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral >>>> movement that is eliminated when my screw tightens. Yes, the fit on the >>>> flats is almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral >>>> movement that can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x >>>> 7/16" long OA and it barely clears. Those spring loaded things are >>>> monstrous by comparison. If I were willing to modify original equipment >>>> permanently, things could be different. I could make another spindle... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Re: margins. I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have >>>> assumed automatic margin controls on other devices. If not, how does one >>>> limit the margins on desktop? For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 >>>> width, but I doubt it will make a difference. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> DanK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Dan, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need >>>> space to make it work. >>>> >>>> Way faster than screws or cap screws. >>>> >>>> When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read >>>> when you have to scroll left to right or vise versa. >>>> >>>> Anyway check out these and let me know what you think. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>>> >>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>>> >>>> 14171 160th Ave. >>>> >>>> Foreston MN 56330 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >>>> >>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:37 PM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw >>>> driver better. I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat >>>> head hex machine screw. I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, >>>> so I threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG >>>> to thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the >>>> connection tight. I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on >>>> a straight, non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis. With >>>> the gears disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as >>>> long as the arm remains pinned to the SiG. It's in the middle of some test >>>> runs and the first three passes of 8 worked just fine. It really doesn't >>>> take much time to move the pin (screw) to the next index, but it is not as >>>> fast as a tapered pin like the original. It will get better with the socket >>>> head screw. I'm open to ideas. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it >>>> today. It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will >>>> be the makeup for a photo in a couple days. >>>> >>>> The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I >>>> buggered up using the "old" methods. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> DanK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >>>> >>>> Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back >>>> instead of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might >>>> help speed up your indexing time . I can see how your idea works without a >>>> video, it is a different way of indexing the starts on a spiral the idea is >>>> very similar to curts design I can see how it will make indexing easier >>>> and more simple for you as curts one did for him. >>>> >>>> I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I >>>> find it more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as >>>> long as they are comfortable with it is the important thing as curt says >>>> there a many ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral >>>> each way is all good >>>> >>>> Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com < >>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager >>>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM >>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I did post a link to a very short video >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing> >>>> about the index arm movement. I'm not set up for video making. The >>>> pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting >>>> enough to show a couple starts. I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon >>>> so that might be a good candidate tomorrow. >>>> >>>> DanK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Dan, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video >>>> and post it as well so we >>>> >>>> can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>>> >>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>>> >>>> 14171 160th Ave. >>>> >>>> Foreston MN 56330 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >>>> >>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The final piece has been made and installed. I am thrilled that >>>> FINALLY, one of my ideas has worked out! And it does work reliably. The >>>> weak part of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it >>>> threads into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I >>>> used a slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I >>>> am planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench >>>> work and easier to insert into next hole. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> DanK >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Very nice work On your spoon! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am very happy for you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep up the good work, >>>> >>>> I too, am looking >>>> >>>> forward to seeing your bowl. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> C.A.G. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au < >>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait >>>> to see the bowl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com < >>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM >>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Subject:* First LOM twist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi guys. I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first >>>> involute spur gear for one of my machines. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came >>>> to mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another >>>> first...the first twists cut on the REVO. Used a straight 1/2" up cut >>>> spiral bit against the side. Six starts. Not much to look at for design >>>> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully. >>>> Another smaller spoon is on its way. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now to carve the bowl. 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