A word of advice Dan from someone who has tried a few legacy mods in the past always make sure you don’t alter things too much beyond the point
Where you can’t change it all back to a stock standard mill where you started in case something unforeseen happens that you didn’t see coming and the mod doesn’t work as planned, Now after saying that I cant wait to see your mod in action oh and one last thing the longer the legacy indexing pin becomes the more slop and movement there will be when indexing for doing reeds, flutes and flats you may need to make a break clamp for the index gear. Good luck buddy Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dan Krager Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 1:54 AM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: First LOM twist The gears flipped easily with a tiny (about 1/16") adjustment in the feed screw shaft. Now the SIG runs on the outside opening up spring pin possibilities on the now outboard index arm. I have made a shouldered bushing to space the SIG about 1/2" outward, the shoulder for the gear to run on freely and to be able to tighten the axis bolt enough to hold the index arm in secure sync.. I lose the otherwise secure index arm lock on the flats of the axis and have to make a new index arm. It looks like the stock index pin will barely reach the SIG in its new position for use with non-spiral indexed cuts, untested yet. There may be some adjustments available if needed. When It's all put back together, I'll get some more pictures. It looks possible now and I'm excited (again). This is as much fun as making the wood stuff! DanK On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:30:10 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com <mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: Will be interesting to see what happens. Anything to make improvements right. Easier is better as long as its accurate. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 <tel:(320)%20294-5798> shop 320-630-2243 <tel:(320)%20630-2243> cell On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:08 AM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote: Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking. If I enlarge the hole in the SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be max) and make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the SIG, then by flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on the outside of its driver. This would eliminate the clearance issue and a spring post could be used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping the gears is possible yet, but imma find out. When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the text shorter. But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently. DanK On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen having to be moved Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: First LOM twist Hey Dan, Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the full width of the screen for that very reason. It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across and hit enter and start a new line. this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to many times but these are starting out that way. Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 <tel:(320)%20294-5798> shop 320-630-2243 <tel:(320)%20630-2243> cell On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote: Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement that is eliminated when my screw tightens. Yes, the fit on the flats is almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and it barely clears. Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. If I were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be different. I could make another spindle... Re: margins. I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have assumed automatic margin controls on other devices. If not, how does one limit the margins on desktop? For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 width, but I doubt it will make a difference. DanK On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com <mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Dan, Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need space to make it work. Way faster than screws or cap screws. When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read when you have to scroll left to right or vise versa. Anyway check out these and let me know what you think. https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20 <https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1> &linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1 Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 <tel:(320)%20294-5798> shop 320-630-2243 <tel:(320)%20630-2243> cell On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:37 PM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote: Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw driver better. I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat head hex machine screw. I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, so I threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG to thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the connection tight. I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on a straight, non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis. With the gears disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as long as the arm remains pinned to the SiG. It's in the middle of some test runs and the first three passes of 8 worked just fine. It really doesn't take much time to move the pin (screw) to the next index, but it is not as fast as a tapered pin like the original. It will get better with the socket head screw. I'm open to ideas. I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it today. It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will be the makeup for a photo in a couple days. The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I buggered up using the "old" methods. DanK On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: <https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/1937dc9e10d53/image001.png?part=0.1> Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back instead of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might help speed up your indexing time . I can see how your idea works without a video, it is a different way of indexing the starts on a spiral the idea is very similar to curts design I can see how it will make indexing easier and more simple for you as curts one did for him. I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I find it more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as long as they are comfortable with it is the important thing as curt says there a many ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral each way is all good Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods. Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Krager Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: First LOM twist I did post a link to a very short video <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing> about the index arm movement. I'm not set up for video making. The pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting enough to show a couple starts. I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon so that might be a good candidate tomorrow. DanK On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com <mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Dan, Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and post it as well so we can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together? Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 <tel:(320)%20294-5798> shop 320-630-2243 <tel:(320)%20630-2243> cell On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager <cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote: The final piece has been made and installed. I am thrilled that FINALLY, one of my ideas has worked out! And it does work reliably. The weak part of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench work and easier to insert into next hole. <https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/4aa3e98c9a6bc/temp5.JPG?part=0.1&view=1> DanK On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: Hello Dan Very nice work On your spoon! I am very happy for you. Keep up the good work, I too, am looking forward to seeing your bowl. C.A.G. On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> <bulk...@mmnet.com.au <mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to see the bowl Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Krager Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > Subject: First LOM twist Hi guys. I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first involute spur gear for one of my machines. So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another first...the first twists cut on the REVO. Used a straight 1/2" up cut spiral bit against the side. Six starts. Not much to look at for design and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully. Another smaller spoon is on its way. Now to carve the bowl. This stuff is HARD. <https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/47ef40a65c7a5/image001.jpg?part=0.1&view=1> DanK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/cba288e3-f046-44ae-95d6-86745def2e50n%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/cba288e3-f046-44ae-95d6-86745def2e50n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. 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