Jack,
Thank you. You are, of course, correct and it was a sloppy example to give.
I obtain my certificates from the GRO hence that is generally the repository
which I use rather than the local office at which the event was first
registered.
The point I was making still remains valid, that is, even when lumping the
Detail section of the Source can be used to contain the individual
information relating to a specific event.
Ron Ferguson
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From: "Jack Earnshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: <LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:17:43 +0100
Ron
I normally agree 100% with your comments and assistance, but in this case
you are slightly incorrect.
ALL certificates are NOT issued by the GRO. Pre 1983 this is how it was -
not totally sure how the post 1984 computerised system operates. When a
birth or death event occurred the "informant" registered that with a local
registrar. At the end of each quarter the registrar sent a copy to the GRO.
It was therefore possible for an error to be made in the transcription that
went to the GRO. Register office marriages were dealt with similarly -
except that the "informant" was the registrar who performed the marriage.
In
C of E marriages there were three different certificates - the one held by
the church, the one sent to the registrar and the one that eventually found
its way to the GRO.
It is important to recognise that these were different documents - that
should be the same, but sometimes differed.
If you get a certificate from the GRO it will normally be a photocopy of
entry they have onto a modern blank certificate. If that isn't clear enough
to copy they send you a newly written certificate - fraught with problems
as
it may introduce new errors into what was already a transcription.
You may also buy a certificate from the local registrar. In most cases this
is also a modern transcription of the original entry, but a few register
offices are now using the same photocopying technique as the GRO.
Lastly, for marriages, you can also obtain a copy of the church register -
a
lot cheaper of course as it need only cost the price of a photocopy.
But the main point I am making is that there are up to 3 different sources
for a single certificate - GRO, Local registrar, church (marriages only).
And, most importantly, the three can have different information on them.
The
number of sources in some ways can be 5 - transcript of GRO entry,
photocopy
of GRO entry, transcript of local entry, photocopy of local entry, copy of
church marriage entry.
I have two specific examples
- GRO sent me a death certificate that was newly written. The informant was
Mary REW. It was over 12 months later that I discovered that this had been
rewritten wrongly and that her name was ROW.
- my gt grandfather (Joseph Henry THORNE) married twice. I obtained a copy
of the GRO certificate for his 2nd marriage and found that he was also one
of the witnesses! When I looked at the parish church copy it had a
different
name for the witness (his son William Henry THORNE).
I happen to use the "lumper" method, but would differentiate between these
3
distinct sources of the information. I believe that, strictly, the local
registrar's information is the true master and that the GRO is a secondary
source.
Jack
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ferguson
Sent: 20 August 2007 19:28
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting
Kirsten,
I do not really use the Sources for the purposes which you indicate but as
a
lumper I would say that your supposition is not really accurate. For
example
all BMD certificates in the UK are issued by the GRO (Government Record
Office) and I lump all these together under Certificates published by the
GRO. However, in the Details I specify the type of certificate and where
appropriate the date (although usually the latter would be in the event).
Similarly for newspapers the name of the newspaper and date, page etc would
go in the Detail.
Ron Ferguson
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>From: "Kirsten Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>To: "LegacyUserGroup" <LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
>Subject: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:21:07 -0700
>
>I'm not experienced in the various options within Legacy for printing
books
>so I may have a wrong impression, but wouldn't the Master Source List
>equate
>to a bibliography at the end of a book? And if so, wouldn't "lumping"
say,
>all bmd records under a Master Source perhaps called "Vitals," defeat
that
>function?
>
>Also, couldn't the Master Source List serve as a checklist of the
resources
>you had used in research? In that case, wouldn't lumping say, various
>newspapers together under "Newspapers," also defeat that function?
>
>Or are there better ways to get a bibliography-type report rather than
>using
>the Master Source List? (I know the "To-Do" list is supposed to be good
>for
>tracking research; unfortunately I'm just not very religious about using
it
>that way.)
>
>Kirsten
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