Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff

Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:28:01 -0700

I'm not sure what your point is, Elizabeth. There is a difference. Online sources can be hard to find--especially with transcription errors by enumerators or by those creating databases. It's not always easy to find, just by searching on the person's name, the specific census image. So, imo, it is better to put a complete url for the digital image. However, the location of an online image does not correspond to a book on a library shelf or even a document in a record book in a courthouse. With the specific citation information for a book or a courthouse record, we can go in and go right to the original. The "citation" information doesn't change in those record types; their locations don't generally change. BUT that's not true of internet urls. They can change. So it would be comparable to a book having its dewey decimal number changed and being moved to another shelf on the library. If you have a date that a url was accessed you can use a "way back machine" http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html to access an archived edition of the page. 

Patti


On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote:
Well, if we are to take from the recommendations of the online book, then the location of the online image is just a repository, nothing more. Does the date I went to the library mean anything? Probably not. 

Elizabeth
researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson
----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Hobbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Depending on how detailed your link is, it tells you when that particular link was good. One thing I have found that I like to do is after I've searched on the name, etc. to get to a census, I will then, in another browser window, follow the path from year, state, township, page number to get to the most basic url for that image and use that for my citations--all two of them or so that I've done so far.:-) 

Patti
On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:55 PM, GeoSci wrote:
And this is one of the things about EE and Sourcewriter that I have a problem with. Why would one need an Access date for a federal census 
- it will never change?!?  I can see (to a point) why one might want
to know if it was viewed on Ancestry.com or Heritage Quest, etc. since 
some are clearer on one repository than another - but why the access
date??

Probably my strange way of thinking.....

Keith

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

Gail,

You are not going crazy.
I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an "accessed" date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in 
the census entry.
But no. There is not an "accessed" date available for census entry (Federal, 
at any rate).
I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am 
using the usual work-arounds.

Janis Walker Gilmore

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Geoff

OK, now I think I see the issue here.  Either you are selecting a
different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a
different/better version of this same template. My template (when I 
select census records as the source type, followed by > 1) United
States > 2) Federal Census Records > 3) 1850 population schedule > 4) 
online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in.

Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads:
Jurisdiction City
Roll
Page
Dwelling No.
Family No.
ID of Person
Surety Level
Recorded Date
File ID

Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious?


Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Gail,

I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at
http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the 
Master Source.

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


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for

Geoff
Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I 
want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online?
There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) 
template to provide the accessed date.
The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 
240 of EE.  The fields shown are as follows:

Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census
Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa
Schedule: population schedule
Civil Division: Lake Prairie
Page ID: p. 290 (stamped)
Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156
Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp
Item Type or Format: digital image
Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics]
URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com
Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006
Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187
Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an "accessed 
date" field as required above.  It only provides a "publish date"
field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output
preview for the footnote.
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through 
the source type list to select a different template than the one I
have described?

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net





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