Jerry, My objection, and that of many other British genealogists, is that forcing out locations to fit a foreign convention gives an inaccurate location. Many of the leading genealogists over here are finding that they are having to spend far too much time trying to influence companies and societies, particularly in the States, to use correct locations which are neither inaccurate nor give an inaccurate impression.
You are correct in that we do not have states nor provinces (except arguably Northern Ireland). Lancashire is not equivalent to anything, least of all equivalent to a county, it *is* a county, indeed, it is a County Palatine. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields Not sure what you are looking for, but actually my website does use a right to left sort automatically because it starts with the COUNTRY, then goes to the STATES or PROVINCES, then to the COUNTIES, then to the CITIES or VILLAGES. And Legacy can sort many ways by user choice, as you know. In your example below, my system would interpret Eccles as a STATE or PROVINCE, but England has none, right? Or, if you are showing it as RIGHT to LEFT, then Lancashire would be a STATE or PROVINCE in my system, but it is equivalent to a COUNTY, right? Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/11/2012 06:15 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Jerry and John, > > Perhaps one of you would be kind enough to explain the difference, in the > context of searching, of the following two searches: > > England, Lancashire, Eccles, Winton > > and > > England, Lancashire, ,Winton > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:56 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 > Fields > > I'm trying to understand that thinking, Mary. But how could that work > if, for example, you had the following? > > Detroit, Michigan, United States > Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States > Michigan, United States > 123 Apple Street, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States > Wayne County, Michigan, United States > Roosevelt Cemetery, 195 Sunset Blvd, London, England > > You would be ok with United States and England as COUNTRIES, but then > moving left, it looks like you would have dissimilar entities together > like: > > SECOND DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > Michigan > Michigan > Michigan > Michigan > Michigan > London > > THIRD DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > Detroit > Wayne County > (blank) > Wayne County > Wayne County > 195 Sunset Blvd > > FOURTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > (blank) > Detroit > (blank) > Detroit > Roosevelt Cemetery > > FIFTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > (blank) > (blank) > (blank) > 123 Apple Street > (blank) > > So, what part of this am I not understanding, if so? > > Thanks, > Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 03/11/2012 11:56 AM, M. Brenzel wrote: >> If you sort your location list right to left, they will sort properly, >> even with different numbers of fields. >> >> Mary >> >> *From:*John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM >> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields >> vs 4 Fields >> >> Thanks for everyone's ideas. >> Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions >> >> I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4. >> Having >> same number >> of fields helps with sorting. >> >> Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field >> MAX. >> Then >> if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null. >> ie. MaxPositions = 5, LessPositionOrder if less >> 2,3if less >> than MAX >> ie For Me for Poland >> city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5) >> If less fields entered enter Nulls >> city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin) >> city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county) >> city, state (Null other 3 fields) >> state (Null other 4 fields) >> >> >> I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with >> fewer positions to 4 position system. >> >> john >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: >> >> John, >> >>  >> >> By all means use the American four field standard for American >> locations, but for other countries use their own formats, normally the >> way in which they are written. >> >>  >> >> Ron Ferguson >> >> http://www.fergys.co.uk/ >> >>  >> >>  >> >> *From:*John Magyari<mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com> >> >> *Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:35 PM >> >> *To:*LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> >> >> *Subject:*[LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 >> Fields >> >>  >> >> Typically for US locations i have ****4 FIELDS >> City, County, State, Country >> >> How do others handle European Countries? >> >> For example I have a village in Poland Area >> >> 1900's part of Austria Hungary >> >> Village, District, Province, Country ****4 FIELDS >> Lipowiec, Sanok District, Galicia Province, Austria-Hungary >> >> Same place in 1940's ****4 FIELDS >> Lipowiec, Sanok District, Krosno Voivodeship, Poland >> >> Almost all places in Current Day Poland 1950's through today *****5 >> FIELDS >> City, Gmina, County, Voivodeship, COUNTRY >> Lipowiec, Dukla Gmina, Krosno County<wlmailhtml://wiki/Krosno_County>, >> Subcarpathian Voivodeship<wlmailhtml://wiki/Subcarpathian_Voivodeship>, >> Poland >> >> and since 2012 *****5 Fields >> Lipowiec, Jasliska Gmina, Krosno County >> <wlmailhtml://wiki/Krosno_County>, Subcarpathian Voivodeship >> <wlmailhtml://wiki/Subcarpathian_Voivodeship>, Poland >> >> When some locations ideally be 5 FIELDS, do you go back and update those >> with 4 Fields? >> >> With some having 4 some having 5 it's also harder sorting and then >> viewing similar towns over time periods. >> >> thanks, >> john magyari >> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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