John, You say ...*most could agree that the Custom Event should be used when*
*the person is, say, over 10, as that Baptism is not indicative of theperson's birth date. * I disagree. Why a Custom Event? Why not just use the existing Baptism event? Since a Christening implies naming an infant it can reasonably be used as a defacto near birth date. As you mention a Baptism can be at any age, therefore, this field should not be used to determine age. If one has information on the age at baptism it can be included. If not a note can be used to include the users guess/belief of the age. I just don't see the need for another Custom event. Am I misunderstanding your comment? Larry Lee ldlee...@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:18 AM, John Lisle <leg...@johnlisle.com> wrote: > Brian, Cathy, et al, > > This has been an interesting discussion. Why this discussion is most > interesting is how you relate this to how the events are recorded in > Legacy. > > Brian, having looked at many English parish records, I can agree with > Cathy that Baptism and Christening are used more or less > interchangeably with a strong dominance of Baptism. > > Further, no differentiation seems to be made in those Registers > between infant baptism and "adult" baptism when it comes to how the > event is registered. > > Now the question comes as to what we should consider infant baptism > which is used as a strong indicator of birth date in Legacy and > should be recorded in the Bapt/Chr vital event field on the > Individual Info window and what might be better recorded as a Baptism > / Adult Baptism / etc. custom event? > > I think most could agree that the Custom Event should be used when > the person is, say, over 10, as that Baptism is not indicative of the > person's birth date. But then, how would you treat a baptism when you > know the child is age 2 or older? Quite often, I see in parish > records that a group of children are baptized together, and it is > obvious that they are of greatly different ages. Maybe 1 or 2 are > infants, but the rest are much older so their baptism does not give a > genealogical indication of birth date. > > Thanks to all for giving me something new to consider in recording my data. > > john. > > > > > > > > > > At 01:42 PM 3/29/2015, Brian/Support wrote: > >As a member of the Anglican faith, Canadian equivalent of the Church of > >England, I can tell you that we baptize infants we do not christen them. > >It is the sacrament wherein they are made followers of Christ. There is > >no "naming" element although the priest does ask the parents/sponsors > >the name of the child so it can be used as their name in the baptism. > >There is a variation of the baptism service for those who were not > >baptized as an infant where the promises are made by the child rather > >than the sponsors but both are baptisms. We recognize baptism by any > >Christian sect as a valid sacrament. > > > >Do you know of any religions which have both a christening and a baptism? > > > >Brian > >Customer Support > >Millennia Corporation > >br...@legacyfamilytree.com > >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > > > >On 29/03/2015 11:48 AM, Ana wrote: > > > Well - I disagree that baptism vs christening are not important. Nor > are > > > they the same in many religions. > > > > > > The following is over simplifying a complex issue: > > > > > > Church of England, Presbyterians & other religions = christen infants > - the > > > ceremony recognizes the baby into the body of church members, who in > turn - > > > promise to help guide the infant thru childhood. This involves > sponsors & > > > godparents (not so much in today's world) > > > If your family joins that church at a later age - say - you are a > young > > > teenager - you would then be baptized as Presbyterian & so forth. > > > > > > Baptists & other religions - baptize when a young person is old enough > to > > > accept the teachings of Christ. This would of a young teenager - not > an > > > infant. > > > > > > Of course - you can join either group at any age - & you would be > baptized > > > into the church. > > > > > > ** Example = My 6th great grandmother - Mary Cantrell was baptized 6 > Oct > > > 1744 - Welsh Tract Baptist Meeting, Pencader Hundred, New Castle Co., > > > Del. > > > > > > Being Baptist - therefore she is NOT an infant - but a young teenager > > > enables us to place a birth year about 1728 or so. > > > > > > Now - if you combine Christening & Bapti as the same - you would give > my > > > Mary a birth of cir 1744. > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:47 AM, genetree <genet...@wave.co.nz> wrote: > > > > > >> Don't get too hung up on the terminology :) the reason for the > prominence > > >> given to baptism or christening in genealogy is that before > > civic recording > > >> of births, a baptism could be used as a birth date indicator. > > >> > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPad > > >> > > >> On 29/03/2015, at 15:40, Ana <anacyr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Oh - I wish there was such an option!! > > >> > > >> Christening is for infants in many religions. Baptism - often means > - > > >> when one joins the Church, which can be for any age from teenager on > up. > > >> Some religions do not recognize infant Baptism. > > >> > > >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Ila East <sunnydays1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> > > >>> I know there is a way to globally change christening to baptism, but > is > > >>> there any way to change it just for a few people? As we know, not > all our > > >>> ancestors did things exactly the same way. > > >>> > > >>> Ila Easr > > >>> > > >>> http://diabeticdogrocky.blogspot.com > > >>> http://ilasrambings.blogspot.com > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPad > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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