Very interesting - - sheds new light on the whole thing, at least for me. In essence this is an exception to the city-county rule as the city should actually follow the county. An individual born in Jamica would be something on the order of : ,Queens County (Jamica), New York City, New York.
I noticed during the Sept 11 coverage that it was FDNY and have wondered about that. What is the story behind it, if you do not mind telling. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pragoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Big Apple The term Greater New York is used to define the metropolitan area which includes communities not part of the city, but within an area that benefits from the city and/or organizations within the city. The proper name for all of the incorporated areas is The City of New York. Towns & cities in the lower part of Westchester County (north of NYC) or in Nassau County (east of the city on Long Island) would be considered to be part of Greater New York. For example: the Salvation Army's Greater New York Chapter offers services to the city itself as well as surrounding communities, as does the Greater New York chapter of the American Red Cross. Here's a question back to you to think about: Why is it that the police department is called "NYPD" as in NYPD Blue and the fire department is called the "FDNY" as opposed to NYFD? (It's a trivia question, to be sure, but one with a story that goes along with it. Another part of NYC's uniqueness :)) Just something to chew on.......... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Montgomery Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have another question. Is the incorporation of 1898 "Greater New York" or "New York City". I realize most use New York City but I am curious which it actually is. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pragoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Big Apple What I do (and I have quite a few folks from NYC in my files), is just use the borough name & the abbreviation "NYC". The county name is redundant as is the neighborhood name. The neighborhood names can be added in notes for the person to be used if you ever visited and wanted to see where they lived, but for the sake of brevity and accuracy, the borough & city should suffice. For example, I have an ancestor who was born in Manhattan, lived in the Bronx and was buried in Queens. I have her birth place as "Manhattan, NYC", and her burial place as "Queens, NYC". The details are in the notes. It helps as well when searching for records via the City Archives. All they need is the borough and year of the event. The actual neighborhood name is immaterial. Nothing archival is kept on the county level in NYC - it's all held by the City proper. In another case, I have a relative who lived in Los Angeles for a brief period. I have her location at that time as "Los Angeles, CA" even though she lived in the area known as South Central. That information is in the notes. I hope this helps :) Bob P.S. If anyone has questions on where to find info in NYC, let me know. I know the place pretty well..... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Carneal Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oy is right. Well, you can do it however you prefer; I believe I would use: Long Island City New York City, Queens County, New York I would use that out of fear that on some reports the long name may not fit where it gets printed. Would that accomplish what you are trying to do? Robert At 07:17 AM 6/25/2003 Wednesday -0700, you wrote: >So my grandmother's marriage location should be cited as... > >Long Island City, Borough of Queens, City of New York, County of Queens, >State of New York? > >Oy. > > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:11:57 -0400, Bob Pragoff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > Yep. That's exactly what they are. Once the City incorporated, all the > small > > towns & villages became part of the larger group. Old maps show the > villages > > & towns and if your overlay the more recent maps, you can see the > boundaries > > as neighborhoods. They all retained their names, although many are now > > somewhat obscure. > > > > The government is made of up the City government as a whole, which is > > governed by the Mayor & the City Council. Each borough has a Borough > > President, who presides over the local affairs of the borough which > also has > > representation on the City Council. The Borough Presidents report to the > > Mayor & the Council. That's the local (city) government. Each county also > > has some responsibility to the State, as in the Judicial system. There are > > County Courthouses and County Sheriff's in each borough, who are part > of the > > State government. > > > > It's all part of what makes New York such a unique and fascinating > place! :) > >Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > >To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ > >To unsubscribe please visit: >http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp
