Tony, where do you get your information from about whom I know and what I do? 
Let me tell you that for many years I was particularily engaged in 'solidarity 
work' with the Kurdish movement and that I regularily met with immigrant workers 
from Kurdistan, Turkey, Iraq. Most of them tried to learn German as much as they 
could. Those who didn't were those with the smallest amount of political 
and social consciousness. Nowadays you got lots of second or even third 
generation Turks/Kurds who are very nationalist though it is obvious that they 
would not like to live in their respective countries. They try not to integrate 
because 'integration' for them means to be be only half accepted.They now talk 
about 'empowerment' first and try to stay away from Germans as much as they 
can. But they of course know German. Those who don't will of course be jobless 
and not going anywhere in life. Such an attitude is simply self defeating. 
Marxists should not encourage this even if they may come up with some 
psychological explaination..
A.H.


Tony Abdo schrieb:
> Anton, you are attributing narrow mindedness and being reactionary to
> immigrants that haven't mastered learning German.     Has it not
> occurred to you why these immigrants might not have learned your
> language?      It is from fear, and nothing else.
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> Immigrants fear being ridiculed as they try to master the skills
> necessary in learning a new language.     Some feel so ashamed and
> fearful of being put down, that they just shut off from being engaged in
> the process of learning the dominant language.      They continually
> avoid any interactions where there 'weakness' might be exposed.
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> Isn't this a natural psychological process much different than being
> reactionary or narrow minded?      I suggest that you  volunteer to
> teach German language skills to some immigrants, and learn something
> about the motivations for their behavior that you seem to disapprove so
> strongly to.
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> Tony
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> <Therefore there is no need to defend every sort of narrowmindedness
> within the working class, and if people live in a foreign country for
> decades and don't hardly speak a single sentence in that country's
> language (Johannes: please don't deny that there are people like that!)
> this is nothing to defend. It's simply narrow minded and in fact
> reactionary. We should be Marxists, not liberal dogooders with a bad
> consciousness. We should tell it like it is.>
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