Edward, I'm in a similar situation, I can give my own short experience. The more one uses emacs the more it becomes obvious that it is not an editor or an IDE or a PIM, but simply contains all those things. emacs is not an integrated development environment (IDE) but rather an integrated computing environment (ICE, just coined). It is a collection of computing (editing, PIM, development, debugging, version control, system management) tools that work well together (seamlessly in many case, but certainly not perfect).
Some may think this statement blasphemous but I think emacs and pharo are extremely similar in scope. That is to say in both cases you can (and are intended to) spend close to 100% of your time within the computing environment. In emacs the features that help facilitate this are dired, vc/magit, and term/shell-commands. I spend an enormous amount of my time in dired because it's just so well integrated into the rest of emacs. It is as if I have the entirety of my file system and network at my finger tips. I can run shell commands on any files/folders or subset of files/folders and any output goes directly into emacs; this helps keep me in emacs an out of the terminal. dired is further enabled by TRAMP which allows you to view the file system of remote computers via SSH. TRAMP also makes it seamless to edit files on those remote computers. vc/magit/diff-hl and other features make version control seamless and mostly painless. Being able to see which files have changed (in dired) and which lines of my code have changes (via icons in the gutter) at all times really helps keep my mind organized and focused. These features also help keep me out of the terminal. And then there is Org, which I'm sure you've gotten plenty of requests for features from. Leo is very much like Org. I use Org more like a Jupyter Notebook than anything else. What I utilize most is Org-babel. Org-babel allows you to run any kind of code from anywhere within an org file and save the results within the Org file. The nice thing is that the syntax highlighting is applied appropriately for every kind of block. For example, you can several different pieces of code in different languages with different syntax highlighting in the same file on the same screen at one time. I think Leo does quite a bit of what Org does already, they just do things differently. I'm not there is anything I would recommend that Leo try to do that is currently does not that emacs does. You would, I believe, have to turn Leo into a full ICE; which I don't think has ever been the goal or aim of Leo. Perhaps this just sort of happens over time as features are accumulated. If Leo had a multi-node body pane which reflected the indented structure/view shown in the tree pane then it would function more similarly to Org-mode than it does now. Whilst there is a benefit to the "focus" of seeing only one node at a time, in the cases where I use Org-mode I explicitly want/need to see multiple nodes at a time. Leo can't give this to me right now. I think this would really open Leo up opportunities for Leo, it would be a bit of a paradigm shift for Leo. I know that Terry has been working on this but I don't think there has been a release. If he doesn't have the time to finish it I'd recommend him passing it off to you (Edward) to at least experiment with. On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 2:58:08 PM UTC-4, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > Jeff R: I have moved off of Leo and now use Emacs, mostly for org-mode but > also for whatever else is useful. Emacs itself has features that I can't > give up, or at least am not willing to right now. > > What are those features? Adding them to Leo might make Leo substantially > better. > > Edward > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/leo-editor/136345d4-347c-476d-8084-2ff76986f190%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
