Definitely, Thomas, and thanks so much for your interest. What I recommend as a starting point is to get one or more Zettelkasten programs yourself to familiarize yourself with the concepts and also the sort of GUI that is generally used.
https://zettelkasten.de/ is a general site on Zettelkasten, but the authors have their own, called The Archive. Free. I have it but haven't gone much into it as yet. https://github.com/EFLS/zetteldeft is one for emacs (I don't have it) https://takesmartnotes.com/ An entire book on the ideas. Under 'The Book' on the homepage you can get the first chapter in pdf, which is really an Intro, and does a great job of it. Well worth reading. https://www.zettlr.com/ A writer produced this version. I have it but haven't done much with it yet. Free. https://roamresearch.com/ looks great but I think it's cloud-based, subscription. https://writingcooperative.com/zettelkasten-how-one-german-scholar-was-so-freakishly-productive-997e4e0ca125 Article on the theory and practice https://github.com/renerocksai/sublimeless_zk The guy that wrote the plugin for Sublime wrote this to stand alone. Looks PDG to me, but he seems to have abandoned it 2 yrs ago. Free, I have it. I think only a couple of these will import, which is one reason I turned to Leo, besides that I think Leo's capabilities for this kind of thing are probably more robust, just need to be wrapped together in a neat package. But what do I know? If you pursue this you will shortly be more of a Zetteler than I currently am. My learning pace is slow. Andy On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 11:35:21 PM UTC-5, Thomas Passin wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 10:45:58 PM UTC-5, andyjim wrote: >> >> Many thanks to all. I've only just now got back to this thread and >> gratified to see tips have kept coming in. It will take me awhile to check >> all these out but it looks good indeed. >> >> I also want to put in a plug here if I may, for someone to undertake a >> robust Zettelkasten plugin for Leo. I think Zettelkasten is the best >> available idea for notes, and I think Leo may be capable of implementing it >> better than anyone else has done (disclaimer: this is the relatively >> uninformed opinion of a Leo newbie and a non-programmer as well). It seems >> to me (again as a complete newbie) that Leo already utilizes some (maybe >> all?) of the core principles of Zettelkasten, and more besides, that would >> only enhance the concept. It could truly be a marvelous piece of >> software. Wish I knew python. >> > > I put a lot of time some years ago looking into how to get the most out of > my browser bookmarks, and I arrived at some of the same principles as I now > read about for a Zettelkaste. And I tackled some of the things that seem > to be glossed over in the material I've seen on Zettelkastens. You can > read a paper about the work here - > > > http://conferences.idealliance.org/extreme/html/2003/Passin01/EML2003Passin01.html > > The user interface is much better now, but the underlying system is the > same. Briefly, with a typical browser, you can save bookmarks in (virtual) > folders. But the only information you can store are 1) the title of the > page, and 2) the folder name that you create. Not much to go on. I wanted > to get the most possible out of it. Some of the difficulties come from the > size of a large collection (I have more than 20,000 bookmarks). You can't > remember most of it, and you can't remember the folder names where you put > things. Over time, you may get duplicates, and you will probably invent > new folder names even though they may do the same job as the older ones. > And you will probably end up with the same bookmark in several folders. > How do you find things, and how do you find related pages? Oh, and the > system needs to be very simple to use or it won't be used. > > Do these issues sound familiar? > > Well, my system is limited to bookmarks, and it has some limitations to > work around the fact that you can't store data to the file system from a > browser. OTOH, it doesn't need to use a database, and it runs in the > browser. > > Why I'm bringing this up here is that from time to time I toy with ideas > for generalizing it to go beyond bookmarks (you can already annotate > bookmarks with the system, which is much like linking notes to web pages - > trouble is, it's very clumsy at present). I could see implementing some > variation in Leo. > > The real difficulty in coming up with a system like this is in making it > work at a large scale; that and a good interface. With a Zettelkasten, you > want to link a note to other related ones. But how do you find those other > related notes? How do you work with tens of thousands or more of notes and > find what you want? How can you design a user interface that will be > clear, simple, and usable at that scale? How do you deal with many-to-many > relationships between notes? How can you promote serenditious discovery? > Those are really hard issues. > > @andyjim, would you be interested in exploring this area further? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/leo-editor/8e8589e8-40db-4a74-8a5f-ae4494578c3a%40googlegroups.com.
