On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:40:54PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > > On 5/25/12 12:51 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> I suppose we will need to do a minimal install in LFS and a more > >> complete install with all the bells and whistles in BLFS. Sigh. > > > > There are dev alternatives, like mdev from busybox. It may at least be > > worth investigation to see if we can avoid the systemd craziness completely. > > That would be a 'good thing'. > > -- Bruce I too have no wish to be forced to install systemd - if it solves problems, they are not problems I've seen on my own systems.
Unfortunately, mdev appears not to be a full replacement. Looking at the gentoo wiki - https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev - I see two breakages for desktop users, and a further problem: 1. Xorg now expects to use evdev on linux, instead of mouse and kbd. Evdev requires udev. Specifically, it looks for libudev.pc. I suppose we could go back to kbd and mouse, as if we were on some lesser system, but I would prefer not to. 2. Any desktop packages which require (g)udev will not build. On my own icewm desktops I can happily ignore such packages, but users of gnome and perhaps other DEs will be disappointed. The further problem is with additional usb devices. The gentoo wiki implies a usb printer can work, but I've seen nothing about adding rules to sort out other devices. In my own case I've got rules for USB sticks (every time I get a new one, it announces itself as something different!) and for my cameras, so that I can just plug one in and mount it at a convenient point [ I don't do fancy stuff to allow me to mount two sticks ]. I guess most people don't need to mount a camera and a stick at the same time, so just haveing an option for /dev/sdb1 or wherever with vfat in fstab probably fixes it for most people. Personally, I don't have issues with adding attr and pcap because I already need them in my own builds. But overall it's another nail in the coffin of a simple and minimalist system. ĸen -- das eine Mal als Tragödie, das andere Mal als Farce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
