On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 09:15:32AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > Mine is something like this: if one day, the folks from the NSA showed > up at X's door with a van full of equipment and asked nicely if they > could please bring it in, then why wouldn't their counterparts in every > other country do the same to X's sites there? And since X wants to do > business in those countries, why would it say no?
Why, I believe this is exactly how it goes down, your honor. And UKUSA is effectively one compartment, and there are probably looser co-operation programs existing in other countries. > If on the other hand this was done by the NSA without X's knowledge, > then their counterparts in other countries could try that approach > as well. I expect that they're collecting data everywhere they can, some of which doesn't require cooperation (tapping submarine fiber) and some requires partial cooperation (central tap facilities at Tier 1 and 2) but also forcing major operators under strict secrecy (need-to-know limited to few individuals, some of them arguably also intelligence officers) and unmder gagging orders so that officially disclosing the information would bear severe penalties, and leaking would be risky since the numbers of possible whistleblowers is very low. > So would you mind explaining yours? (My apologies if it's completely > obvious and I'm just being dense.) I doubt you are, we're probably in violent agreement without realizing it. > And a side point/adjunct to this: so far, I haven't noticed Amazon > or Rackspace or Softlayer or similar on these lists. (Again, maybe > more coffee is badly needed.) I can't believe for a moment that > the NSA overlooked any of the major cloud computing providers. I would also expect that anyone relevant would be on that list. I would be very interested to know how the intercept and processing is happening in so-called friendly countries, which do not have the technical wherewithal and expertise to conduct the intercepts themselves. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
