I probably shouldn't have dragged Dick's name into this but here's my take on what he was saying.
IF the ethics / social responsibility material presented in college is relegated to a single, required course (and is not integrated with more technical material throughout) then it likely to be disparaged by students and teachers alike in the department — and thereby have little effect. This is evidence from many many years ago but the engineers I worked with at Boeing who had had an ethics course acted like it was total BS, a waste of time, and not their concern. I'm not saying that they all felt this way but their views seemed to be fairly commonplace — which is why I thought that Dick's comments were probably pretty relevant. — Doug On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:34 PM Yosem Companys <ycompa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why did he think it was a bad idea? > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:29 PM Doug Schuler < > doug...@publicsphereproject.org> wrote: > >> Good info! >> >> I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that >> adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to >> take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli apparently was using >> this in the engineering department at MIT. >> >> I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments. >> >> — Doug >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list) >> <cpsr-activists+tallpaul=gmail....@lists.cpsr.org> wrote: >> >>> speaking of curriculum: >>> Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – Harvard >>> Gazette >>> >>> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/ >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists list) >>> <cpsr-activists+ycompanys=gmail....@lists.cpsr.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons... >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists list) >>>> <cpsr-activists+jjohnson=uiwizards....@lists.cpsr.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> CPSR Folks, >>>>> >>>>> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially >>>>> Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses. Am I remembering >>>>> correctly? If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything >>>>> online >>>>> about it. 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