Hi all -

Thanks for the responses. Regardless of our individual practices, I don't
see any good coming from Wikipedia positively asserting that it should
"never be cited," and that's the crux of my concern here.

Best,

Kathleen

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:17 PM Paul S. Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have never considered user-generated content on Wikipedia to be more
> than what librarians call a "discovery service".
>
> Briefly skimming an article on a subject l may know little about, I
> invariably evaluate the sources rather than the text and hit the cited
> references. In my 15-year experience, even the weakest and most apparently
> biased articles have at least a few refs that lead to citable sources and
> larger literature.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 11:54 AM Merrilee Proffitt <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I completely agree with Kathleen. I would assert that it is a lack of
>> nuance around the nature of information sources and the research task at
>> hand that has lead educators and others to wholesale "ban" the use of
>> Wikipedia.
>>
>> Whether or not a source can be utilized in a research context depends on
>> the researcher, and what information they are supporting with the citation.
>> For my middle school daughter doing some investigation on an element in the
>> periodic table (as she has been doing this week), the Wikipedia English
>> article (or any encyclopedia article) is appropriate for her. For a
>> graduate student in chemistry this would not be appropriate, but the grad
>> student might (appropriately) cite Wikipedia for some basic definitional
>> stuff, just as they might cite a dictionary or something similar. You see
>> Wikipedia utilized appropriately in citations all the time -- why would we
>> discourage this?
>>
>> Having conversations about the veracity of online information is tough.
>> Wikipedia can be challenging because articles are at various levels of
>> development. To my mind, this makes it something that those of us engaged
>> in conversations around information literacy should steer towards, rather
>> than away from, because a) Wikipedia is widely utilized in a variety of
>> contexts and b) it is a great teaching tool for talking about when you can
>> trust information online and when you should steer clear. But saying "no"
>> to *any* information source without having a discussion about it seems
>> lazy. It definitely does not reflect the type of discourse we should be
>> having, especially now.
>>
>> I look forward to more discussion on this topic.
>>
>> Merrilee
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 9:02 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Twitter doesn't facilitate reasoned arguments. I suppose as usual the
>>> goal was to encourage greater use of the references and other
>>> meta-content of Wikipedia articles, which are excellent tools for
>>> critical thinking.
>>>
>>> Federico
>>>
>>> Kathleen DeLaurenti, 26/09/19 17:55:
>>> > Hi all -
>>> >
>>> > As a librarian who uses and supports Wikipedia, I wanted to bring up
>>> > some issues around the BuzzFeed article posted today about M-Journal
>>> > that has led to some messaging from the WikipediaUK twitter account
>>> that
>>> > I find concerning. I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to
>>> > bring this up, but I wasn't sure where else to reach out.
>>> >
>>> > For those who missed, a citation cite is not manufacturing journal
>>> > articles if a student submits a Wiki article so that it looks like an
>>> > "official" citation in their school research papers.
>>> >
>>> https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/wikipedia-fake-academic-journal?bftw&utm_term=4ldqpfp#4ldqpfp
>>> >
>>> > Clearly there are some nefarious potential uses here, but what's more
>>> > concerning is that the WikiUK twitter account has come forward
>>> > forcefully saying that Wikipedia shouldn't be cited in the literature.
>>> > Period.
>>> > https://twitter.com/wikimediauk/status/1177215917534711808
>>> >
>>> > I work very hard to improve the cite through my courses and academic
>>> > advocacy as do many librarians. It's concern to me to see Wikipedia
>>> > undermining its own authority in such a public way in what appears to
>>> be
>>> > a misguided attempt to deflect association with the MJournal site.
>>> >
>>> > Would welcome any insight or ideas on how to navigate this discussion.
>>> > The entire M-Journal use case exists, imho, because we are still
>>> > battling for a critical (not blanket acceptance) view of Wiki as a
>>> > resources, and I find this kind of public statement to be very
>>> damaging
>>> > to the hard work so many are doing to create a quality information
>>> resource.
>>>
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