Wikipedia POLICY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:54 PM Paul S. Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Not "individual practices"; this is an English Wikipedia Policy:
>
> >Do not use articles from Wikipedia (whether this English Wikipedia or 
> >Wikipedias in other languages) as sources. Also, do not use websites that 
> >mirror Wikipedia content or publications that rely on material from 
> >Wikipedia as sources. Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered 
> >reliable unless it is backed up by citing reliable sources. Confirm that 
> >these sources support the content, then use them directly.[11] (There is 
> >also a risk of circular reference/circular reporting when using a Wikipedia 
> >article or derivative work as a source.)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Wikipedia_and_sources_that_mirror_or_use_it
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 12:24 PM Kathleen DeLaurenti
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all -
> >
> > Thanks for the responses. Regardless of our individual practices, I don't 
> > see any good coming from Wikipedia positively asserting that it should 
> > "never be cited," and that's the crux of my concern here.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Kathleen
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:17 PM Paul S. Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have never considered user-generated content on Wikipedia to be more 
> >> than what librarians call a "discovery service".
> >>
> >> Briefly skimming an article on a subject l may know little about, I 
> >> invariably evaluate the sources rather than the text and hit the cited 
> >> references. In my 15-year experience, even the weakest and most apparently 
> >> biased articles have at least a few refs that lead to citable sources and 
> >> larger literature.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 11:54 AM Merrilee Proffitt <[email protected]> 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I completely agree with Kathleen. I would assert that it is a lack of 
> >>> nuance around the nature of information sources and the research task at 
> >>> hand that has lead educators and others to wholesale "ban" the use of 
> >>> Wikipedia.
> >>>
> >>> Whether or not a source can be utilized in a research context depends on 
> >>> the researcher, and what information they are supporting with the 
> >>> citation. For my middle school daughter doing some investigation on an 
> >>> element in the periodic table (as she has been doing this week), the 
> >>> Wikipedia English article (or any encyclopedia article) is appropriate 
> >>> for her. For a graduate student in chemistry this would not be 
> >>> appropriate, but the grad student might (appropriately) cite Wikipedia 
> >>> for some basic definitional stuff, just as they might cite a dictionary 
> >>> or something similar. You see Wikipedia utilized appropriately in 
> >>> citations all the time -- why would we discourage this?
> >>>
> >>> Having conversations about the veracity of online information is tough. 
> >>> Wikipedia can be challenging because articles are at various levels of 
> >>> development. To my mind, this makes it something that those of us engaged 
> >>> in conversations around information literacy should steer towards, rather 
> >>> than away from, because a) Wikipedia is widely utilized in a variety of 
> >>> contexts and b) it is a great teaching tool for talking about when you 
> >>> can trust information online and when you should steer clear. But saying 
> >>> "no" to any information source without having a discussion about it seems 
> >>> lazy. It definitely does not reflect the type of discourse we should be 
> >>> having, especially now.
> >>>
> >>> I look forward to more discussion on this topic.
> >>>
> >>> Merrilee
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 9:02 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) <[email protected]> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Twitter doesn't facilitate reasoned arguments. I suppose as usual the
> >>>> goal was to encourage greater use of the references and other
> >>>> meta-content of Wikipedia articles, which are excellent tools for
> >>>> critical thinking.
> >>>>
> >>>> Federico
> >>>>
> >>>> Kathleen DeLaurenti, 26/09/19 17:55:
> >>>> > Hi all -
> >>>> >
> >>>> > As a librarian who uses and supports Wikipedia, I wanted to bring up
> >>>> > some issues around the BuzzFeed article posted today about M-Journal
> >>>> > that has led to some messaging from the WikipediaUK twitter account 
> >>>> > that
> >>>> > I find concerning. I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to
> >>>> > bring this up, but I wasn't sure where else to reach out.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > For those who missed, a citation cite is not manufacturing journal
> >>>> > articles if a student submits a Wiki article so that it looks like an
> >>>> > "official" citation in their school research papers.
> >>>> > https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/wikipedia-fake-academic-journal?bftw&utm_term=4ldqpfp#4ldqpfp
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Clearly there are some nefarious potential uses here, but what's more
> >>>> > concerning is that the WikiUK twitter account has come forward
> >>>> > forcefully saying that Wikipedia shouldn't be cited in the literature.
> >>>> > Period.
> >>>> > https://twitter.com/wikimediauk/status/1177215917534711808
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I work very hard to improve the cite through my courses and academic
> >>>> > advocacy as do many librarians. It's concern to me to see Wikipedia
> >>>> > undermining its own authority in such a public way in what appears to 
> >>>> > be
> >>>> > a misguided attempt to deflect association with the MJournal site.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Would welcome any insight or ideas on how to navigate this discussion.
> >>>> > The entire M-Journal use case exists, imho, because we are still
> >>>> > battling for a critical (not blanket acceptance) view of Wiki as a
> >>>> > resources, and I find this kind of public statement to be very damaging
> >>>> > to the hard work so many are doing to create a quality information 
> >>>> > resource.
> >>>>
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