Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:03:59 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] 800x600 screen
At 03:47 PM 11/11/2003, you wrote:
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:41:13 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] 800x600 screen
At 03:15 PM 11/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:49:48 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] 800x600 screen
Hello George!!
What driver was it? I used the Toshiba screen driver under Win98 and presently am using the Microsoft driver under XP. Both give me the same problem.
I've been trying to follow this thread but I'm still not entirely sure what the driver related problem is ... I've only tried Linux, Win98 and Win2k, with the latter, the Microsoft driver already has support for panning viewport (hardware resolution of 800x480, logical resolutions up to 1024x768 but viewported down to 800x480). With Win98, Toshiba's drivers do the trick (although for some reason, IIRC it only goes to 800x600) whilst with a bit of tweaking Linux can be made to do up to 1024x768 with a 800x480 viewport.
I could see how a driver might fix this but it would really slow down the machine since it would always have to be monitoring and then resizing if a program is screwing up. One interesting thing about running at 800x600 is programs and windows seem to be using less cpu.
It seems to be that a lot of programs expect a 800X600 screen so sometimes the bottem of the menu will simply extend down below 480.
I wasn't aware you could fix that in drivers (in that some programs are hardcoded to expect a 4:3 aspect ratio screen, those that take their measurement off width will go below the Libretto screen, those coded to take their measurements off height will end up too small) ... and you get the odd few that are hard coded to play nice on nothing less than 800x600 (such as some web pages where you need to scroll like crazy ... is this what you mean below?).
Yes. Its really annoying.
The web seems to be the worst place to find this. One program is the Websters dictionary anthoer is Eudora.
Eudora's menus go below the 480 screen? Which ones? I've used Eudora on resolutions from 640x480 up (including non-4:3 ratios) and I've not noticed a problem apart from the advertising box taking up a huge amount of realestate at lower resolutions ... the biggest problem I have in fact is the start menu looping and running off the right edge of the screen! (yes it is somewhat disorganized!)
I included Eudora by mistake. I have the latest registered version and it runs very well without the ads. But the dictionary I mentioned runs right below the 480 boundary. A real pain. Eagle CAD does it too.
Both are fine programs but just are set up for 600. Anyway now I use Talisman 2 for my shell and it can set up the screen correctly for this. The odd thing is I really don't notice much distortion from having a 800x600 screen on a 800x480 LCD!!
I thought it just viewported 800x600 to 800x480 (so you wouldn't expect distortion because you're only seeing 800x480 logical pixels at any one time with the viewport following the cursor around). Or perhaps you're talking something completely different to what I'm thinking ...
You are right.
Oh and I don't know if this is what you mean by moving the taskbar but you can move the standard Windows taskbar around simply by dragging a blank area of it (such as the area a few pixels to the left of the system tray). I don't think you can shorten it as such but then again you can dock it against the left or right edge then pad out the top and bottom with quicklaunch or shortcut bars so the taskbar itself stays visible regardless of how far up or down you scroll (assuming you're running at a logical resolution of 800x600 ... at a logical resolution of 1024x768, you're not guaranteed of seeing the edge of the logical screen so that becomes somewhat pointless) ...
From what I've seen of most third party shells resizing, moving, configuration, menus are not a problem and much more complete than your basic windows package. There's really no reason windows should contain more than it does either--it keeps MS from putting people out of business:). Right now my system tray and task bar are now vertical and just a few mm long and high. I find them much more effective than they were. Compared to you standard Windows bar I just added a whole lot of visible screen space. I have totally gotten rid of the start button and can open the start menu with a hotkey sequence. In fact instead of using the mouse now to open and close various menus and programs I use hot keys which is 100x faster. With windows its difficult to program in hotkeys since it only lets you use a few. Its incredible how slow it can be to get at something (like just opening a simple program) using a mouse. I have a really cool system clock which shows time in various places around the world. (Just a little feature which I like:)) There is a bunch of other stuff I can do to which I haven't gotten too yet.
I'm not saying a person should use a third party shell--its just kind of fun to see what's out there plus it keeps programmers in business making new stuff.
- Raymond
John
At 11:59 AM 11/10/2003, you wrote:Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:53:22 +0000 From: "GEORGES PITROPAKIS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] 800x600 screen
Hi John,
I had the same problem until I fugured out that this was a driver problem. I found the driver and I now have the full screen visible...
Thanks for keeping us informed.
From: PhotoEngineering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [LIB] 800x600 screen Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:53:47 -0800
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:55:33 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 800x600 screen
I have started running the screen in 800 x 600. The reason is with the odd 800by480 size sometimes menus run out the bottom. I always had a problem with this before because of the windows task bar. I could never figure out how to resize or move it. But since replacing the shell it is not a problem since each shell replacement usually has a moveable and resizeable system tray and task thingy. I can make each small enough and position them so they are alway visible--like placing them right at the 480 pixel boundry and vertical. Since programs can be resized to fit in a 800x480 screen when they start I can totally ignore the extra 120 pixel until something just HAS to have a 600 height screen:-).
John
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