Could agree more with Alex - I too have done some pretty sophisticated
integrations with 3rd party systems and at every stage I found the
life-cycle hooks into lift very rich and completely empowering.

Cheers, Tim

On May 11, 11:31 pm, Alex Boisvert <boisv...@intalio.com> wrote:
> Hi Glenn,
>
> I don't understand where you're coming from either...  I've integrated Lift
> with a different persistence layer (home-grown), another authentication
> system (Tempo RBAC), integrated it with existing Java libraries and Spring
> MVC components without trouble.  So far, I haven't run into a situation
> where Lift got in the way of integration.   The fact that Lift uses all the
> standard servlet APIs made it easy to simply add it to an existing app and
> even reuse session state / cookies from existing apps.
>
> I can see how Lift can be different from what you're used to, but I don't
> see how Lift gets in the way of integrating with legacy apps.
>
> My 2 cents...
>
> alex
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM, glenn <gl...@exmbly.com> wrote:
>
> > Just some observations from a struggling lift user...
>
> > Yes, I see it's utility in delivering dynamic html to the browser. But
> > in today's world of rapidly evolving technologies for mashups and flex-
> > like richness and gadgetization, interoperability is the key to
> > adoption in the enterprise. It's not enough to say you can selectively
> > rewrite your legacy apps in lift. Lift, out of the box, is still
> > another technology for building monolithing web apps (war files). Not
> > the best stategy.
>
> > I find the keepers of the code, in response to numerous postings on
> > this site, suffer from NIH anxiety and easily dismiss interoperability
> > with other frameworks, either because they believe they have a
> > superior implementation, so why use someone else's, or, if you really
> > feel you need it, roll your own.
>
> > My response to that is, it just doesn't work that way. The best
> > technologies are not just agnostic on the issue of interoperability,
> > they embrace pluggability, and let the developer community choose the
> > winners and losers.
>
> > Lift suffers from not even having an out-of the-box declarative
> > configuration capability. And, frankly no, I don't have the time or
> > resources to write my own. Please, give me something other than just
> > an <a> tag to work with.
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