I’m new in town and enjoy the impressive, intelligent, well-constructed back-and-forth between participants on these issues. My only request to the well intentioned conversant(s)—is please don’t bury your words in more words. I am having trouble focusing on intent and nuance and easily confused. Yes, I’m almost 80 and trying to remain as capable as I used to be. Our community needs you as an honest and well spoken minority. Go for it—your words of caution and illustrating what none other has voiced may be the ah-ha moment we need. It’s tough being the nay-sayer—and I encourage you to continue—please be more brief and courteous to those of us that are handicapped by information overload. Thank you for your time and efforts attempting to herd cats. Myra
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2022, at 6:33 AM, Richard Panetta <richardpane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > To be fair to the mods, they did a site upgrade last year and every one was > put on moderation due to the issue. They then needed to manually take every > one off one by one. > > Perhaps this is what happened to some of you. > >> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 6:16 AM Danielle Pierce <daniellewpie...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> I too am on moderation. Apparently my plumber recommendations are offensive. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Mar 31, 2022, at 11:43 PM, melinda bruno-smith >>>> <melindabr...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> Yes, Ralph and I agree, Dennis has fall victim to our “cancel culture.” >>> Sad indeed. >>> Melinda & Ralph >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Melinda Bruno-Smith >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 31, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Pat Gray <patg...@oatbit.com> wrote: >>> >>> I too am concerned about cutting off thoughtful conversations about >>> topics of interest. Those who spent time sharing with us their information >>> and ideas do us a service. I learn new things and sometimes even modify my >>> position:) >>> Diversity and inclusion isn’t just about race or class it is also being >>> open to hearing and appreciating different perspectives and ideas. And then >>> digging deeper to understand why people hold different point of view. >>> >>> Quite honestly it’s very difficult to find situations where people can >>> share different perspectives without being shunned. This intolerance of the >>> ‘other' is a key factor in creating the dangerous divide in our country. >>> >>> It would be great if instead of following lock step what others are doing, >>> shutting down anyone who disagrees with them, we instead model and openness >>> and interest in having robust debates and conversations. Our youth need >>> better adult role models showing them how to deal with, and benefit from, >>> having an openness to hearing different perspectives. >>> >>> Pat Gray >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Daniela Caride <danielacar...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hear hear!! I learn a lot from Dennis. And even though I seldom agree with >>>> what he says, I appreciate his opinion. I would like to see everyone have >>>> a chance to politely speak here. >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 6:44 PM Seth Rosen <rosen...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I personally find Dennis’ contributions to be thoughtful, articulate, >>>>> well-supported and respectful. He spends a great deal of time on them, >>>>> which I respect and appreciate. I enjoy reading his notes, and if I >>>>> don’t wish to, I also simply move along. >>>>> >>>>> His views are sometimes unpopular, but in many “conversations” he’s the >>>>> only person pushing a counter-narrative. And a lot of times he’s correct. >>>>> >>>>> Candidly I’ve noticed this trend myself — those with a more conservative >>>>> or fundamentally different view simply seem to disengage from this forum. >>>>> In a town that purports to celebrate and cultivate diversity, it feels >>>>> to me that we should be welcoming Dennis’ contributions. >>>>> >>>>> I hope he’ll reconsider his participation >>>>> >>>>> Seth Rosen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 31, 2022, at 6:27 PM, V Saleme <bmwkbi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Very well stated Richard. A slippery slope has been woven. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vic >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:52 PM Richard Panetta >>>>>>> <richardpane...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Dennis, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I saw this email I was miffed as to why you would have been put on >>>>>>> moderation as your posted are always well thought out, thorough >>>>>>> (sometimes too thorough), always given links to your sources. I and >>>>>>> many others have found you comments informative. There was maybe one >>>>>>> instance when you and another former Selectman went back and forth >>>>>>> similar to this yet neither of you were put on moderation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There were many responses stating they enjoyed the back and forth. >>>>>>> Neither one of you were rude or disrespectful of each other so who >>>>>>> knows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be a shame to lose your posts on subjects and the time and >>>>>>> care you put into topics you comment on. I hope you take some time and >>>>>>> decide to comeback and offer your thoughts to important topics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I too have noticed that an opposing view gets treated differently so I >>>>>>> can not blame you for feeling frustrated. Perhaps some management here >>>>>>> have gone “nose deaf” to their friends and opinions they agree with. >>>>>>> But as you said it is their sandbox and they may do as they wish. >>>>>>> Hopefully you won’t mind jumping back in said sandbox and getting a >>>>>>> little dirty again >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rich >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 1:20 PM Dennis Liu <bigheadden...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Howdy, folks – this email is going out to Lincolntalk, but also to >>>>>>>> some local friends (and the Lincolntalk moderators: Margit, Jena and >>>>>>>> Jonathan) directly, since I have been put into the moderation queue so >>>>>>>> I am unsure if anyone will see this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With the back-and-forth with Paul Shorb regarding the proposed new >>>>>>>> laws affecting construction in Lincoln and climate change, I seem to >>>>>>>> have violated one or more tenets of the Lincoln Talk rules and >>>>>>>> policies (https://www.lincolntalk.org/rules-and-policies). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I made my last post on the topic last night, only to discover that I >>>>>>>> had been put into moderation without warning. (N.b., since I replied >>>>>>>> to Paul directly, and he replied to the List this morning, you may >>>>>>>> have seen indirectly my last post, since the moderators apparently >>>>>>>> only put me on moderation and not him; if any of you is curious about >>>>>>>> how I left it, you can read Paul’s message, or feel free to reach out >>>>>>>> to me and I will forward it privately; Paul’s message in the archive >>>>>>>> is here: >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/2022-March/043133.html) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For the avoidance of doubt: since, of course, Lincoln Talk is a >>>>>>>> private (and free/not-for-profit) operation kindly maintained and paid >>>>>>>> for by the moderators, they are entirely free to decide what and who >>>>>>>> gets circulated. That’s their call, and I respect that. I suspect >>>>>>>> that my postings have triggered a reaction among one or more folks (or >>>>>>>> directly among one or more of the moderators), and I have been found >>>>>>>> in breach of those rules and policies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fair enough! I know that I am in the minority (or very small) >>>>>>>> minority on a lot of these topics in Lincoln – that’s fine, I’ve been >>>>>>>> in the minority pretty much my entire life living in New England, so >>>>>>>> I’m used to it, lol. I do hope, however, that my writings have not >>>>>>>> been construed as personal attacks, and instead considered an attempt >>>>>>>> to shed light and bring a non-conforming, contrarian view to this town. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But since this is not the first time, I shall be refraining from >>>>>>>> making any more posts to Lincoln Talk. I don’t wish to waste my time >>>>>>>> writing stuff up, and I certainly do not wish to cause offense among >>>>>>>> my neighbors. I’m writing this note just so you all will know why you >>>>>>>> wouldn’t have heard from me in the future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Onwards! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vty, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Dennis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. >> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >
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