On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 12:53 -0400, Neale Ferguson wrote:
> Christoph's point is well taken: The best place for the code was to be
> submitted for inclusion in the mainstream and subject to peer review. My
> point is that I hadn't avoided that process but had been trying to work
> with IBM (via SHARE and the Technical Steering Committee) to setup a
> co-operative process to get code like this in a place where it could be
> dealt with by the s390 community prior to going to the main kernel list.

Working with SHARE and/or the Technical Steering Committee will help to
get the s390 review tree in place. That is good.

> We were doing so in order to avoid duplication of effort and to deliver
> quality stuff to the kernel. However, things got bogged down in the
> legals such that we now have to find an alternative means of doing so.

But as long as the review tree isn't there yet we need to use the
alternative of sending patches to the mailing list & the peers. Waiting
will only lead to code rot while it is sitting on your hard-drive.

> In the interim people needed a "mainline" solution and the folks at the
> lab stepped up and got one in. If it's a technically superior option
> then all the better. However, I just took offence at the implication
> that I was avoiding submitting things and was "bitching". I have had my
> dealings with the glibc list so I know how necessary it is to develop a
> thick skin. Similarly, the work on the Mono s390 JIT was done directly
> with the mono list: so I think I'm familiar with what the process
> involves.

The glibc folks have their own set of rules. One important thing is in
common with the linux development though: if you don't play by their
rules you get nasty mails. But if you do play by their rules it works
well. You "just" have to find out what the rules are ...

--
blue skies,
   Martin

Martin Schwidefsky
Linux for zSeries Development & Services
IBM Deutschland Entwicklung GmbH

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