Linux-Advocacy Digest #669, Volume #25 Fri, 17 Mar 00 15:13:07 EST
Contents:
Running as administrator/power user all the time Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed
(Timothy J. Lee)
Re: Salary? (Ian Mac Lure)
Re: Setuid and Linux threads (Kaz Kylheku)
Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed (abraxas)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or Linux
(Rex Riley)
Re: Salary? (JEDIDIAH)
looks like MS doesnt understand its own security model (abraxas)
Re: Setuid and Linux threads (Dima Volodin)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or Linux
(Rex Riley)
Re: Windows 2000: nothing worse ("Drestin Black")
Re: A pox on the penguin? (Linux Virus Epidemic) ("Drestin Black")
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or Linux
(JEDIDIAH)
Re: A pox on the penguin? (Linux Virus Epidemic) ("Drestin Black")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Running as administrator/power user all the time Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed
Date: 17 Mar 2000 18:44:06 GMT
Reply-To: see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
|"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|> > But it still can't do any more damage than that user's rights allow.
|>
|> But most users need to run as power users, or local admin, so as much
|> damage as it wishes.
|
|They don't "need" to, that's just how lazy sys admins set them up.
|
|It's possible to run a tight ship and still run all the apps the person
|needs to.
It is just very inconvenient if you don't have "su" (Unix/Linux)
or "runas" (Windows 2000). Without such commands that allow becoming
a different user for a specific task or set of tasks, one has to
close one's session, login as the other user, do whatever, logout
of the other user, then login as oneself again, then restart all
of the stuff that had to be closed.
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No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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From: Ian Mac Lure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 17 Mar 2000 18:55:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:27:35 GMT, Christopher Browne wrote:
[SNIP]
: I'd agree that housing costs in the US are fairly high.
Huh? Maybe in the major coastal conurbations ( LA, Atlanta,
DC-NY-Boston, SF Bay ) but most places the cost of a home is
quite reasonable. A common comment from many continental Europeans
is that they couldn't dream of owning property in their home
country but that here it was well within reach. Met a couple from
Klagenfurt Austria on a plane
In Silicon Valley only 1/4 of the population could afford to buy
a typical single family home but this is ( IMHO ) a pathological
situation.
I have no idea what property goes for in rural Ireland though.
[SNIP]
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* No Times Like The Maritimes *************************************
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To: comp.programming.threads
Subject: Re: Setuid and Linux threads
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:58:53 GMT
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:41:09 -0500, Dima Volodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Mar 2000 01:40:43 GMT, Igor Khasilev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*> wrote:
>> >Is it possible that something goes wrong if one of the threads
>> >will call setuid(something different then startup uid) in
>> >application linked with linuxthreads?
>> >
>> >I have a problem in threads syncronisation in this case (only under linux,
>> >everything is ok under solaris or freebsd).
>>
>> In Linux, the security context is changed only for the calling lightweight
>> process, I believe.
>
>What was the rationale for this feature?
Something about ``threads the way God intented them to be'', attributed
to Linus Torvalds.
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#exclude <windows.h>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed
Date: 17 Mar 2000 19:01:27 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
*snip*
Heres some stuff thats actually true.
>From bugnet.com:
BugNet Top 30 Windows 2000 Bugs
Here are some of the more dangerous, comic or widespread bugs affecting
Windows 2000 right now.
If you are going to have some Windows NT 4.0 Remote Access Service servers
mixed in to a Windows 2000 domain, these NT servers must be updated to
Service Pack 4 or later. If they aren't, they will not be able to access
any Windows 2000 domain controllers to check on dial-in permissions.
Windows 2000 TAPI is incompatible with any ATI video cards that have TV
tuners. This would include the ATI-TV, the ATI-TV WONDER, and the ATI
All-in-Wonder cards, according to Microsoft. They hope to add support
later.
Microsoft says that if you use non-International Alphabet 5 characters in
the names of Windows 2000 computers, the Certificate Services Setup won't
work. They may fix this limitation in the future, but for now, stick to IA5
characters.
According to Microsoft, in Windows 2000 you should not have a fully
qualified Domain Name System (DNS) computer name with more than 64
characters. If you do, Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) services are going
to fail. In turn, that will cause failures in Enterprise Certificate
Authority, domain controller and computer automatic enrollment, and IPSec
enrollment.
In Windows 2000, if you upgrade your file system from FAT to NTFS, your CA
services will fail with this error message in the Application Log:
"Certificate Services did not start: Unable to initialize the database
connection for <Your CA Name here>. Class not registered 0x80040154."
Microsoft says you can fix this by uninstalling the CA service and then
re-installing it. Make sure to use the same CA name, key pair, and database
that you did before.
Microsoft says that if you are running Windows 2000 on a multi-homed
computer, and if you have two or more interfaces with an Automatic Private
Internet Protocol Addressing (APIPA) address, you may end up with
inconsistent routing behavior for your computer. Microsoft will have more
information on this in the online Knowledge Base at
http://support.microsoft.com/support/.
If you are upgrading to Windows 2000, you may have some upgrade problems
with Microsoft Transaction Service and Component Services. If you had been
using MTS 1.0 before the upgrade, then Component Services will replace MTS.
Any of your user-defined packages will be lost, and Microsoft says you must
re-create them. However, if you are upgrading from MTS 2.0, all your
user-defined packages will be upgraded.
If you upgrade to Windows 2000 and add the optional Windows Media Services
components, you may run into an incompatibility if you also have Microsoft
Site Server 3.0 with the Site Server Membership Authentication plug-in.
According to Microsoft, there is a boot race problem, which means the
plug-in won't load, and clients won't be able to connect to the Windows
Media Services. This error won't show up in the Windows 2000 Server Event
Log service. But if you use the Windows Media Administrator to connect to
Media Services, you will get an error message saying you must restart the
Windows Media Unicast service. Microsoft says to follow that advice as a
workaround.
If you have installed Windows Media Services as part of a Windows 2000
upgrade, and you then enable HTTP streaming in the Windows Media
Administrator, Microsoft says you need to restart your computer. If you
don't, the Windows Media Services Event Log fills up with errors.
According to Microsoft, if you upgrade to the release version of Windows
2000 from a previous (presumably beta) version of Windows 2000, and you
have a disk that is part of a fault-tolerant set, it may become orphaned
during the GUI setup. However, they say you will not lose any data, and you
can rebuild the disk with the Disk Administrator snap-in. If it is a mirror
disk, use the Resynchronize Mirror command. If it is a RAID 5 disk, use
Regenerate Parity.
Here is a situation to avoid, according to Microsoft. When upgrading from
Windows NT 4.0 to Windows 2000, you may not want to create logical drives
within extended partitions on basic disks. A drive geometry translation
error in the Logical Disk Manager may trigger this error message:
"Parameter is incorrect." There is no workaround.
Microsoft points out a problem with the Windows 2000 Backup procedure that
is caused by Microsoft Office. Sometimes, applications won't restore
because of long file names. The Office components use short 8.3 names when
registering component locations in the Registry. After a restore, some of
these may point to the wrong place, because short file name generation is
based on the order in which the applications are installed. The fix is to
reinstall any applications that fail.
If you are going to do a Windows 2000 Backup to an Exabyte EXB-220 Changer
with 8-mm tape, Microsoft says you need to upgrade your firmware for the
changer to 6.4.3. Otherwise, you may see this error message: "write file
mark."
When you upgrade to Windows 2000 from Windows 95/98, you may be told by
Windows 2000 that these network adapters will not be supported: 3Com
EtherLink III EISA 10/100 (3C597-TX); IBM Ethernet ISA Adapters; Crystal
LAN CS8920 ISA Adapter; Olicom Plug and Play Token-Ring ISA 16/4 (OC-3118)
Adapters. After installation, you may be pleasantly surprised to find that
they work anyway. Microsoft says you might have to reset any static network
settings.
When you upgrade to Windows 2000 from Windows NT 4.0, you may be told by
Windows 2000 that these network adapters will not be supported: 3Com
EtherLink 905x 10/100 series of Adapters; Compaq Ethernet or Fast Ethernet
PCI Adapters; DEC FDDI Controller PCI (Defpa) Adapters; HP EN1207D-TX PCI
10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapters; Intel EtherExpress PRO/10 Adapters; Intel
Pro/100 Intelligent Server Adapters (I960). Yet after installation, you may
find that they work anyway. Microsoft says you might have to reset any
static network settings.
If you are using multiple 3Com 3c509 TPC ISA adapters in EISA mode on a
Windows 2000 computer, once you disconnect them using Network and Dialup
Connections, you will not be able to reconnect them to the network without
rebooting your computer. These adapters also sometimes have problems with
Windows 2000 Plug and Play.
If you have a 3Com Fast EtherLink ISA 100BaseTX adapter (3C515-TX) on a
Windows 2000 computer, and you disable or enable the adapter through Device
Manager, your computer may lock up. There is no fix yet.
On a Windows 2000 computer with a wimpy power supply, an Adaptec ANA62044
64-bit 4-port PCI Fast Ethernet adapter may not be able to automatically
negotiate network connection on two of the ports. The only "fix" is to
upgrade to a computer with a greater power supply.
Windows 2000 is incompatible with multiple Madge ISA TR adapters. According
to Microsoft, this will trigger system instability, especially with network
connections.
If you have SMC 8216 Ultra, 8216 Ultra Tiger, or 8416 EtherEZ cards
installed on a dual processor, ACPI-compliant Windows 2000 computer, you
should not have adapter resource settings of IRQ 10, I/O address 300, and
RAM address CC00. This will cause a boot failure. You will have to choose
adapter resources that don't conflict with other system resources, says
Microsoft.
If you are going to run Windows 2000 on an IBM ThinkPad 760EL, 760XD, or
765D laptop, you probably don't want to use an IBM Ethernet Credit Card
adapter. According to Microsoft, this adapter will not receive a DHCP
address, which means it won't have network connectivity. There is no fix at
this time.
If you use a Macronix MX98713 on an ACPI compliant Windows 2000 computer,
the adapter may cause the computer to hang. Microsoft says you need to
check with Macronix for an update for this adapter.
You will have problems updating to Windows 2000 if you have an NE2000 or
compatible network adapter in your computer, and it has an input/output
(I/O) address at 340h (0x340). According to Microsoft, your computer may
lock up during installation when you get to text mode. As a workaround, you
can remove the card or change its I/O setting. After Windows 2000 is
installed, the card will work correctly, even at that address.
If you install Windows 2000 on an ACPI-compliant computer, and it has a
Xircom CE3 PCMCIA or Compaq Netflex 3 PCI Adapter, you will not be able to
resume computing from hibernation or standby modes. To avoid the issue,
Microsoft says to disable Power Management if you are using these adapters.
Do not install or upgrade to Windows 2000 on a computer that has an AVM
ISDN adapter. Microsoft says to uninstall and remove the adapter, then
install Windows 2000. After installation, you can reinstall the adapter and
configure it.
On a Windows 2000 computer, if you have a Digi International 8-port PCI
card installed, and you have an 8-port concentrator connected to the card,
you will not be able to install or support modems, according to Microsoft.
There is no fix.
If you have a Digi International Multiport Serial card, and you go to
Windows 2000 Device Manager and change its properties, the Properties
window will remain silently active for about twenty seconds, says
Microsoft. During this time, you will not be able to close the Device
Manager window. The workaround -- have patience.
Microsoft says that some PC card network adapters may not be able to handle
heavy network traffic on a Windows 2000 network, and may either lose their
connection or hang. These cards include: 3Com Megahertz 10/100 (3C575);
Xircom Credit Card Ethernet IIps (PS-CE2-10); Earlier versions of the
Xircom CE2, although later versions are OK.
If you are running Windows 2000 on a Compaq Presario laptop computer that
has a Lucent Technologies modem, you may have some problems. According to
Microsoft, the modem will be detected, and Windows 2000 will install the
correct drivers, yet the modem won't work. They say this will be fixed by
Compaq, who will have an updated BIOS.
According to Microsoft, Windows 2000 Professional may hang after you
install Microsoft IntelliPoint 2.2. Microsoft says that pressing
CTRL-ALT-DELETE will not help. To resolve this problem, Microsoft says you
have to reinstall Windows 2000 Professional.
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Wow. Comments, Chad?
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rex Riley)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or
Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:07:05 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
> They give lip service to openness and then turn around and
> encourage everyone to join their 'windows only club'. They
> choose to treat smaller competitor systems just as Microsoft
> would prefer to treat Apple.
>
This is their WWDC dilemna... coming up! Microsoft _was_ the more benevelent
dictator...
> This is why we chuckle at Apple when they claim to give away
> BSD and not their hypocrisy when they do so the day after the
> first TPM trailer was snugly vendorlocked away from anyone
> who contributed to the BSD codebase.
>
They do have their "what's in it for Apple" corporatism. As a NeXT/Apple
developer, you either pull the Apple cart or you're irrelevent. There exists
no ultruistic culture upon which to foster collaboration, contribution and
cooperation - ie. community.
> Nevermind Linux, Apple is excluding the exact same people that
> they sponged their OS core off of.
>
>
Well made point.
-r
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:09:45 GMT
On 17 Mar 2000 18:55:45 GMT, Ian Mac Lure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:27:35 GMT, Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>
>: I'd agree that housing costs in the US are fairly high.
>
> Huh? Maybe in the major coastal conurbations ( LA, Atlanta,
> DC-NY-Boston, SF Bay ) but most places the cost of a home is
> quite reasonable. A common comment from many continental Europeans
> is that they couldn't dream of owning property in their home
> country but that here it was well within reach. Met a couple from
> Klagenfurt Austria on a plane
> In Silicon Valley only 1/4 of the population could afford to buy
> a typical single family home but this is ( IMHO ) a pathological
> situation.
> I have no idea what property goes for in rural Ireland though.
>
> [SNIP]
Also bear in mind that even considering that, there are a lot
of Americans unable to afford their own home. Furthemore, some
of the 'cheaper' properties in some American cities are in no
location that most people would want to live given a real choice.
Although, there always is the 'single wide on a plot of land in
the middle of nowhere' option. However, even that can be impractical.
Still...
Highrise condo in Paris ~ 250K
Townhouse condo in Toronto ~ 180K (don't recall if that's CN or US)
Townhouse condo in a Columbus, OH suburb ~ 60K
--
So long as Apple uses Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based video 'Windows only' Club, / | \
Apple is no less monopolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: looks like MS doesnt understand its own security model
Date: 17 Mar 2000 19:16:07 GMT
http://www.bugnet.com/alerts/bugalert_21700.html
Interesting little bit on the W2K security model...
Comments, Chad?
=====yttrx
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From: Dima Volodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.programming.threads
Subject: Re: Setuid and Linux threads
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:16:59 -0500
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:41:09 -0500, Dima Volodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> >> In Linux, the security context is changed only for the calling lightweight
> >> process, I believe.
> >
> >What was the rationale for this feature?
>
> Something about ``threads the way God intented them to be'', attributed
> to Linus Torvalds.
Doesn't it suck when the Providence messes around with the OS design?
Anyway, are there any plans to make the security context to be a shared
thing among all the pthreads in a process? Something like if an LWP
changes its credentials then junk all the other LWPs and create a new
pool of LWPs from the only one left. Disclaimer - it's a pure
speculation on my part as I have no clue about Linux's LWPs or about
Linux's pthreads implementation.
Cheers!
Dima
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rex Riley)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or
Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:32:21 GMT
In <8att52$9ao$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Jensen wrote:
> Rex Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> : In <8athfr$l0r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Jensen wrote:
>
> : > I'll say it again, lest there be confustion "They certainly didn't owe
it
> : > to anyone, but why did they decide not to make friends?"
> : >
> : > If the answer is that Apple doesn't want those kind of friends, we can
> : > take that information and move on.
>
> : Insanity is asking the same question over again expecting different
> : answers.
>
> But I've gotten several answers already ;-)
>
<rolling on floor>
Ha, ha, ha...
> : This philosophical matrix you work at constructing around Apple has no
> : tenetsupon which to host logical debate. Unilaterally assigning
> : malappropriation of thought and non-actions on Apple's behalf is the
> : Justice Clarence Thomas dilemna. Accused, maligned and painted a
> : turncoat on the Linux revolutionary forces - Apple cannot disprove the
> : falsehood?
>
> I've only suggested that non-action shows lack of interest, nothing more
> sinister.
>
>
I don't think there's anything to analyse sinister. Here is a corporate
culture that invented the revolution and lost it. Now a band a maurauding
programmers want asendancy to the high throne of Industry standard bearer?
With no disrespect to Robinhood, Apple is trying to prove:
1) They deserve respect.
2) That there is a function that they serve in the Industry.
3) Their presence can affect the greater good of society.
4) People can make a difference buying their products
Apple seem to me to be at 1&2. They need that credibility to accomplish the
larger 3&4.
best...
-r
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000: nothing worse
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:36:51 -0500
"Mr. Rupert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Nothing worse than being stopped at a red light only to have a bum
> attempt to wash your windshield and hand you a W2K CD.
no, you're mistaken - W2K is not being given away free... the only OS I can
think of that fits your description is Linux. The bum may have realized that
no want accepts Linux CDs but would take a W2K copy in a heartbeat.
>
> So far, I have come to learn through these newsgroups that W2K is
> riddled with more than 60,000 bugs
lie
>, cannot scale to Hotmail-style services,
lie
> is expensive to buy,
depends if you live in your mom's basement and think the #1 reason linux is
good is because it's all free
but to anyone with a job, W2K is not expensive.
>is not selling very well,
lie
>is a
> multi-user OS through a GUI kludge,
lie
>encourages users to run as root,
lie
> is a virus haven,
lie
>and is an administrative nightmare of endless
> clicks and check boxes.
as opposed to an administrative nightmate of endless command lines, scripts
and man lookups?
man - if that is what you got from reading newsgroups - I suggest enlarging
your subscriptions from alt.ms.sucks and linux.advocacy to something more
representative of what everyone else says.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A pox on the penguin? (Linux Virus Epidemic)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:38:07 -0500
"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
>
> > So, Tim Kelley states that NO ONE has/uses root access in Linux -
because
> > that is a security risk. So, no one needs or get root. But they use SU
all
> > the time....
> >
> > laughs last that laughs best...
> >
>
> I thought you finally understood su but I guess you are just too dense.
> Where I work. no end users have root access to AIX on their RS/6000
boxes.
> We do have access to maint, which has authority for such things as
defining
> printers and mounting disks. How do I define a new printer queue?
Guess
> what - I use su - maint. So yes I do use su, but never to root.
>
> Gary
>
did I say su to root? no.
besides, did you even read the link at the bottom where it lists and
describes and even provides working examples of linux virus?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or
Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:37:46 GMT
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:07:05 GMT, Rex Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>
>> They give lip service to openness and then turn around and
>> encourage everyone to join their 'windows only club'. They
>> choose to treat smaller competitor systems just as Microsoft
>> would prefer to treat Apple.
>>
>
>This is their WWDC dilemna... coming up! Microsoft _was_ the more benevelent
>dictator...
>
>> This is why we chuckle at Apple when they claim to give away
>> BSD and not their hypocrisy when they do so the day after the
>> first TPM trailer was snugly vendorlocked away from anyone
>> who contributed to the BSD codebase.
>>
>
>They do have their "what's in it for Apple" corporatism. As a NeXT/Apple
>developer, you either pull the Apple cart or you're irrelevent. There exists
>no ultruistic culture upon which to foster collaboration, contribution and
>cooperation - ie. community.
They get more eyes. BSD,Linux and Be are being pushed into
network appliances and slowly growing on the desktop. While
Apple is content to ignore these platforms, RealNetworks is
working to make them supported platforms. Should any or all
of these AltOSes get a toehold on the web, Apple will be at
a disadvantage relative to their competition.
Besides, Apple could always use some positive PR.
>
>> Nevermind Linux, Apple is excluding the exact same people that
>> they sponged their OS core off of.
>>
>>
>
>Well made point.
>
>-r
>
--
So long as Apple uses Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based video 'Windows only' Club, / | \
Apple is no less monopolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A pox on the penguin? (Linux Virus Epidemic)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:38:55 -0500
what I posted came from the unix-heads at slashdot - complain to them.
HOWEVER the link at the bottom includes source code and .bin of 3 real virus
"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8as0nb$1d47$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > So, Tim Kelley states that NO ONE has/uses root access in Linux -
because
> > that is a security risk. So, no one needs or get root. But they use SU
all
> > the time....
>
> Its a fairly commonly accepted tenet within the unix world that the
> greatest security risk is the ignorant administrator...I should think
> that the same is true of NT...:)
>
> Its best if the person that sits down at a rootshell to work knows
> *exactly* what theyre doing, just the same as its best if the person
> that sits down at an administrator terminal on NT knows *exactly*
> what THEYRE doing, no?
>
> Which is why the "virus" that you posted earlier is somewhat invalid...
> It depends directly on incompentance of the administrator to actually
> function, just the same as a "virus" under NT which requires the
> administrator to remove administrative access to the entire system
> and then run a script that formats the boot drive. (I realize that
> this probably isnt possible without administrative privilages, or
> at least it SHOULDNT be, but you get the drift).
>
> Is it terribly difficult to consider that most operating systems
> have their niche which they fill quite nicely, leaving room in the
> world for the others? I mean, its not like anyone is still running
> AmigaDOS or anything...:)
>
>
>
>
> -----yttrx
>
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