Linux-Advocacy Digest #734, Volume #25 Tue, 21 Mar 00 18:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Leon Hanson)
Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux... (Ciaran)
Re: linux statistics. ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux... ("Davorin Mestric")
Event Announcement: Internet Global Summit: Global Distruted (Jee Hyung Kim)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? ("fysg")
Personal question ("fysg")
Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux... ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: I don't want to stir up any concerns... ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux... ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: I don't want to stir up any concerns... ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: linux statistics.
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: (Mike)
Re: A pox on the penguin? (Linux Virus Epidemic) (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: (Mike)
Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux... (Bastian)
Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux... (Bastian)
Re: A pox on the penguin? (Linux Virus Epidemic) (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: Producing Quality Code (mlw)
Re: What are the limitations of using Linux on your server (if there is one)?
(JoeX1029)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or Linux
(Jonathan W Hendry)
Linux sure is coming around... (JoeX1029)
Re: Mandrake=Poison? (JoeX1029)
M$ did come aboard UNIX camp... (JoeX1029)
Re: Gnome/Gnu programmers Suck. -- Not a troll (Gary Hallock)
Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) ("David D. Huff Jr.")
Looking For Linux Training Providers ("ax")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leon Hanson)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:35:34 GMT
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:44:31 GMT, "fysg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fact, almost every person will need some Windows application, that's
>because in an intranet one should have at least one Windows client (NT WK,
>2K Pro or W98).
Why?
>... but everything else could (dare I to
>say should ?) run on Linux, I mean, other clients, Internet software, file
>serving and of course firewalling.
Well, those are server tasks. I the subject of this thread is "Linux
on the desktop" which, in my mind, refers to Linux being used to run
conventional desktop applications.
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Subject: Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux...
From: Ciaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:36:16 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leon Hanson) wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:08:43 GMT, "fysg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>> 12. Beos is about to release 5
>
>> I do not know that OS, is it free ?
>
>Beginning with version 5.0, yes.
But free as in beer, and only for personal non-commerical use.
See www.beos.com for details.
Cheers,
Ciaran
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From: "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux statistics.
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:29:53 +0100
www.statmarket.com had linux usage share at about 0.2%, counting html
clients. they count about 40 million different daily visitors, so those
stats are as good as they get.
Shibu Basheer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:%XwB4.14001$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello!
>
> I am looking for some web site which can provide some statistics about
linux
> usage throughout the world, and compared to other operating systems. Also
> about number of linux web servers out there..
>
> I need this for a college report. I would appreciate any help! Thanks.
> Also, could you Cc your reply to my email address :
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From: "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux...
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:34:52 +0100
fysg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1. It's buggy.
>
> Not more buggy than any other OS ... and by far easier to fix.
for a non programmer, easy to fix as any other os.
> > 3. It's slow.
>
> Is it allowed laughing here ?
gui is definitely slower than windows. but that is probably because of
years of optimisation that went into the windows user code.
> > 4. Netscape is owned by AOL
>
> I can use Netscape, Lynx, KDE browser, Arena, etc ... and
> soon Mozilla ... sure that sooner than Windows family unification hoho.
but still explorer better than all of them.
> > 5. It has no useful GUI
>
> Exact, it has useful GUI's, desktops and a powerful and imitated
> TCP/IP based model.
when it comes to imitation, it is gnome that copies windows.
> > 13. Windows 2000 is.
>
> Failed to end sentence; is ... awul, bloated, buggy, not neccessary.
define bloated. 128mb of ram is $62.
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From: Jee Hyung Kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Event Announcement: Internet Global Summit: Global Distruted
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:44:33 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I want to give every one a heads up about a great conference that's
happening in Japan this July. The Internet Society, one of the oldest
international Internet organizations, is hosting its annual Global
Summit in Yokohama, Japan. This four day event will cover such pivotal
topics as:
-- Regulation, Policy and Governance
-- E-Commerce and E-business
-- Interactive and Multimedia
-- Mobile Internet and IP Network Appliances
-- Internet Science and Technology
-- Internet Infrastructure and Technologies
-- Third World Expansion
-- Security
-- Domain Names
-- Linux
-- Open Source Movement
Please feel free to forward/post this announcement or pass it around to
your colleagues.
Here are the logistics of the event.
INET 2000
The Internet Global Summit: Global Distributed Intelligence For
Everyone
The 10th Annual Internet Society Conference
18-21, July 2000
Pacifico Yokohama Conference Center, Yokohama, Japan
email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
web: <http://www.isoc.org/inet2000/>
REGISTER AT: http://mc-net.jtbcom.co.jp/inet2000registration/
INET is the premier event in the Internet industry, providing an
international forum for advancing the development and implementation of
Internet networks, technologies, applications, and policies.
The world's Internet leaders meet at INET conferences to exchange
experiences and shape the future of the Internet. INET attendees examine
strategic issues emanating from the Internet's impact on commerce and
finance, education, technologies and societies. INET 2000 presents a
strong technical program with all papers peer reviewed by industry
experts from around the world.
*WHO ATTENDS INET CONFERENCES:*
More than 2,000 decision-makers and networking professionals involved in
extending the use and reach of Internet networks in their organizations
or countries are expected to attend INET 2000. Their roles involve
nearly every aspect of the Internet's development and operations.
*KEYNOTE SPEAKERS:*
- John T. Chambers, President and CEO of Cisco Systems, Inc.
- Dr. Ken-ichi Ohmae, international management consultant and creator of
the framework of the borderless economy.
SUPER PANELS:
Super Panel #1: Open Source Movement
Launched in 1985 by Richard Stallman, (GNU), the free source code
movement has blossomed into a broad front of projects best exemplified
by the stunning success of Linux, the Unix-like kernel launched by Linus
Torvalds in 1991. It is now challenging Microsoft's Windows NT in the
server business and is poised to invade the desktop as well. Some call
Linux the Internet Operating System and this is twice true: it could not
have existed without the Internet and a lot of machines that are making
up the Internet run on Linux. Apache, another free source code software,
powers nearly half of all Internet servers in the world. This round
table Super Panel will discuss how these two communities are rapidly
merging into one that may be the real basis for the new net economy.
Super Panel #2: Next-Generation Internet Research Projects: What's New,
What's Next and What Works?
Late-breaking news from Next-generation Internet projects will be
presented. Panelists will address their current status, next step, and
what has led them to success.
Super Panel #3: The Future of the Internet Layer
As the Internet continues to grow, there are increasing stresses and
strains on some of its foundations, such as the original numeric
addressing space and the underlying assumption of transparent
communications. The expected arrival of millions of wireless devices,
and expansion to new, very populous regions of the world, will maintain
or increase these stresses for several decades to come. The Internet
technical community has been aware of this issue for at least seven
years and has carried out various studies and new developments including
Classless Interdomain Routing, Network Address Translation and IPv6. The
panel will discuss all this and more, and attempt to discern where we
are headed next.
PROGRAM THEMES:
- Internet Infrastructure Technologies
- Internet Science and Technology for the 21st Century
- Mobile Internet and IP Network Appliances
- Interactive, Multimedia, Innovative Contents with Full Demonstrations
- Bio-Medical Issues
- Education
- E-Commerce and E-Business
- Regulation, Policy and
- Governance
iGrid2000: LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS: The potential for using global,
next-generation networks to significantly change the way science is
conducted will be showcased at INET 2000, where researchers from around
the world will collaborate in iGrid2000, sharing computing resources and
data over high-speed networks to solve complex computational programs.
REGISTER AT: http://mc-net.jtbcom.co.jp/inet2000registration/
For more information and the latest updates regarding the summit, visit
http://www.isoc.org/inet2000/
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From: "fysg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:40:02 GMT
> Why?
It is not a natural law, it is just my experience.
> Well, those are server tasks. I the subject of this thread is "Linux
> on the desktop" which, in my mind, refers to Linux being used to run
> conventional desktop applications.
Sure, I was wrong there, sorry. Anyway.
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From: "fysg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Personal question
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:43:04 GMT
It is just a doubt I have, Drestin, do you work for Microsoft or get paid
by it ? Not trying to offend you, I'm just curious to know why you always
defent Microsoft so hardly. It seems and forgive me ... stupid, doesn't it ?
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From: "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux...
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:38:14 +0100
why don't you implement it yourself. </irony> most of the multiplatform
software will be better supported on windows. other os-es trail behind.
<john@servnospam> wrote in message news:8b8h1h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have question on this.
>
> Why is it in the Unix/Linux version of Netscape, it will not do
> URL completion for you? on windows, when I start typing a URL
> in netscape, and I have vistied that URL before, it automatically
> auto-complets for me.
>
> Is there something about Linux/Unix that makes this feature
> impossible to implement? it seems like a simple lookup hashtable
> for me.
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From: "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: I don't want to stir up any concerns...
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:44:25 +0100
hacking and programming means something different to different people. can
you please be more specific in this. what exactly do you mean by hacking?
what did you hack, for example?
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>IMO,
> there's nothing like a unix-type OS for doing hacking, and unix really
> is unmatched for hacking and programming. You get all the development
> tools, such as gcc, Qt, Lesstif, GTk, etc. for free. I don't know - I
> just don't see me using Windows 2000/NT/98 whatever for programming or
> hacking.
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From: "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux...
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:36:10 +0100
Nico Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 3. It's slow.
>
> This one is highly controversial. The same PC I'm using now used to be
> NT. It's now Linux. The performance difference I feel in the end user
> role is that Linux is faster ( printing and net surfing especially - I
> get average 2.5 times faster )
however, sometimes not fast enough to move a mouse. no problems in windows
there.
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From: "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: I don't want to stir up any concerns...
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:41:31 +0100
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's the thing with MS products, though - I sure wouldn't want to
> use an MS OS/software program for hacking, programming, and web
> servers.
what are the reasons you would not want to do this?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: linux statistics.
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:06:02 GMT
In article <8b8psv$8be$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Davorin Mestric wrote:
>www.statmarket.com had linux usage share at about 0.2%, counting html
>clients. they count about 40 million different daily visitors, so those
>stats are as good as they get.
Hmmm, what contents do they serve ! you see that site has marketing info
wich is okey when you are into marketing but how many developers look at
marketing info..
--
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Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/
B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/
Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976
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From: Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:17:23 GMT
John Jensen wrote:
>
> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> : It was the Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:58:18 GMT...
> : ...and Sal Denaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : [capitalism yada yada]
> : > I wonder if that sound I hear is Ms. Rand doing back flips in her grave...
>
> : References to Ayn Rand.
> : Instant-O-Loss-O-Credibility.
>
> Not on my side of the Rio Grande ;-)
>
> John
Socialism is still big on the other side of the rio grande. Tis no
wonder why poverty and illiteracy are rampant in latin america.
--
You say it's cool to be yourself,
but you want me to be like you
and that is not being myself
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--
Mac and Windows users, make some free cash:
http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=HRK719
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A pox on the penguin? (Linux Virus Epidemic)
Reply-To: Stefan Ohlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:20:42 +0100
Bjørnar Bolsøy wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>For realtime systems AmigaOS won't do the trick as it isn't a
>>realtime kernel. (Neither, of course, is Linux, Solaris,
>>NT/W2000/98/95, etc, etc)
> Of course depending on your definition of and requirement from
> a realtime application. :)
>
Of course. But when it comes to industrial applications they won't cut it.
Neither will the realtime versions of Linux someone mentioned. Don't get me
wrong here, they are probably good, but there are dedicated small realtime
OSes that are designed for the work.
Did you know, BTW, that the Swedish military fighter Gripen (JAS) is run
on PowerPC processors? There's an example of a real realtime system! :)
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] · http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ · [ ICQ# 17519554 ]
Harry: Yeah I called her up, she gave me a bunch of crap about me not
listening to her, or something, I don't know, I wasn't really
paying attention.
/Dumb&Dumber
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From: Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:23:52 GMT
ZnU wrote:
> RealPlayer is a media player. QuickTime is an entire media architecture.
> It wouldn't be quite as easy to port, obviously.
Actually you are wrong there. You would have to port the RealMedia
architecture which shouldn't be any less complex than the QuickTime
architecture.
> Consumer pressure? From the 1% of the market that uses something other
> than Mac OS or Windows?
Actually Linux has a 4% marketshare in the desktop OS market.
Insignificant from a consumer standpoint but don't laugh because Linux
has only made a serious shot for the desktop market over the past 2
years. MacOS 12% but Apple has had 15-16 years.
>
> You don't seem to understand capitalism very well. If Apple thought
> there would be a suitable return on investment (in whatever form),
> QuickTime would be ported to non-mainstream OSes. Or do you think it's a
> Big Conspiracy?
Why doesn't Apple pay a few hundred grand to a company like LokiSoft
which ports Win32 games to Linux? I am sure they would love Apple's
business. Apple could have another company do it just like OperaSoft is
getting specialized firms to port Opera to non-Wi32/Unix OS's.
--
You say it's cool to be yourself,
but you want me to be like you
and that is not being myself
http://digitalheresy.tripod.com
--
Mac and Windows users, make some free cash:
http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=HRK719
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Subject: Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:23:30 GMT
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:21:43 GMT, Leon Hanson wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:08:43 GMT, "fysg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 12. Beos is about to release 5
>
>> I do not know that OS, is it free ?
>
>Beginning with version 5.0, yes.
Just free or open source?
Bastian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Subject: Re: I'm back!!! with reasons why U shouldn't use Linux...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:23:30 GMT
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:36:10 +0100, Davorin Mestric wrote:
>
>Nico Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > 3. It's slow.
>>
>> This one is highly controversial. The same PC I'm using now used to be
>> NT. It's now Linux. The performance difference I feel in the end user
>> role is that Linux is faster ( printing and net surfing especially - I
>> get average 2.5 times faster )
>
>
>however, sometimes not fast enough to move a mouse. no problems in windows
>there.
>
Windows sometimes isn't even fast enough to display the crtl-alt-del window,
and thus gives me a bluescreen. And I guess M$ should have paid more attention
to creating a stable and usable OS than implementing a perfectly scheduled
mouse driver.
Bastian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A pox on the penguin? (Linux Virus Epidemic)
Reply-To: Stefan Ohlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:26:06 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>Nice idea, but I think html is better :)
>> More flexible, powerful, etc.. yes. Altough AmigaGuide is smaller and simpler.
>> I think it's a bit of an overkill to fire up a www browser just to read
>> some online help :)
>
>Yes, I like the gnome help for that. I think it uses html, but is lightweight
>(compared to say Netscape)
>
Ah, that reminds me, I must remember to install gnome for a try-out at work.
Is Windowmaker and gnome a good combo? I've seen that there's a special
gnome-version of WM.
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] · http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ · [ ICQ# 17519554 ]
Bishop: I'm afraid I have some bad news.
Hudson: Well that's a switch.
/Aliens
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Producing Quality Code
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:24:51 -0500
"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
>
> In article <8b6vvn$ht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Qsort issues with ordered vs random files.
> > Quicksort, as I understand it, is O(N log N) most of the time, for N
> > items. But if the list is initially sorted in the wrong direction,
> > the time becomes O(N^2).
>
> Quicksort is indeed O(NlogN) on unsorted data, and O(N^2) on sorted
> data, however it also not a stable sort (doesn't necessarily preserve
> order of values that have the same sorting order) and it is a really
> bad choice when you are building your dataset one item at a time and
> are mixing lookups and inserts...
>
> >> When to use and when not to use recursion.
> > The only problem I can think of with recursion is that it might eat
> > up too much stack space, because each function call needs a few
> > bytes for passed parameters and local data.
>
> The best rule of thumb I've seen is that you should use recursion
> where the data is naturally recursive, and not otherwise. There are a
> number of extra tricks you can use (tail recursion, etc.) but they
> hardly ever optimise comprehensibility, debuggability or maintainability!
>
> >> Just once give me a guy that knows how to write a decent hash table.
> [...]
> > And the ideal choice of hascode algorithm would be one that would
> > make the items evenly distributed.
>
> The real problem with hashing being that the best algorithms are
> dependent on both the nature of the keys being hashed and the number
> of keys to hash.
>
> [...]
> >> And, if you know these things, drop me an e-mail, we need good people.
> > I'm not sure I'd be in any position to accept such an offer.
>
> I'm fairly sure I wouldn't accept such an offer anyway. Leastways,
> not unless mlw could be very persuasive on just how interesting
> working for him would be...
What do you call interresting? Besides, it would not be for me, but with
me.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
Subject: Re: What are the limitations of using Linux on your server (if there is one)?
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:28:31 GMT
I believe that it can, given the fact that your hardware can handle it. As to
the flavor TurboLinux makes a great server
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From: Jonathan W Hendry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or
Linux
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Date: 21 Mar 2000 16:30:40 -0600
In comp.sys.next.advocacy Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why doesn't Apple pay a few hundred grand to a company like LokiSoft
> which ports Win32 games to Linux?
Why doesn't RedHat pay Apple a few hundred grand?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
Subject: Linux sure is coming around...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:34:07 GMT
Everybody is selling Linux!! My local Wal-mart is selling Linux! I was
recently in my favorite computer store in the OS section and some guy picked up
the Winblowme 2000 box. I'm thinking "ahh man another box bites the dust..."
but no! after seeing the $ he grunted in surprise and put it back and picked up
the RedHat 6.1 deluxe box. Guess what he ended up buying....
So much for Linux is losing popularity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
Subject: Re: Mandrake=Poison?
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:41:20 GMT
nope i think you're right, mandrake sux but not as bad as winblowme. I
actually have a win box (no laughing, i hate it too) and it crashes about 3
times a day.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
Subject: M$ did come aboard UNIX camp...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:48:11 GMT
M$ is aboard the UNIX camp. A number of years they created a UNIX like OS
called XENIX. But it no doubt sucks just as bad as win.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:49:03 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome/Gnu programmers Suck. -- Not a troll
[EMAIL PROTECTED], net wrote:
> You might want to let the original person know how it was so easy for
> you to install.
>
If you were paying attention you would know that I already did.
>
> BTW you said you have a stock RedHat 6.1 install with no
> modifications?
>
> What happened when you typed in Gnucash or whatever the name of the
> script that starts the program running?
>
It worked.
>
> Steve
>
As far as installing gnome, you chose the worst way to do it. The gnome website
clearly
lists all gnome packages and all depencencies and has links to all dependent packages.
You
could do any one of the following:
1. Download everything and let rpm sort it out,
2. Manually make a list of what you need to download based on what you already have
installed.
3. Point autorpm to the gnome ftp site and let it figure out what needs to be
downloaded.
You made it much more complex than need be by downloading a package at a time and then
determining dependencies.
Gary
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From: "David D. Huff Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:43:05 GMT
This individual is apparently historically deficient.
Josiah Fizer wrote:
> josco wrote:
>
> > -- joseph
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, George Marengo wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:54:23 GMT, Forrest Gehrke
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> George Marengo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Nope -- my only point was that anyone who is actively trying to kill off OS/2
> > > >> >is a nut... IBM did that themselves.
> > > >
> > > >Even if that were granted, what did MS do? IBM management may
> > > >have been after only a good sized niche, one that MS would
> > > >never have missed. Why when analyzing IBM's "failure" you
> > > >do not question what MS did to totally freeze them out?
> > > >Why act as if there had been no Finding of Fact by Judge Jackson?
> > >
> > > I'm not acting as if their had been no finding... IBM knew what the
> > > terms of their OS bundling contract was; i.e., if they preloaded OS/2
> > > in preference to Windows, they would lose preferential treatment
> > > and pricing status. That wasn't hidden from them, and was in fact
> > > part of the reason why MS was found guilty.
> > >
> > > Given MS's history, even to that point, there were NO indications
> > > that they would ever concede anything... they want it all. If IBM
> > > thought that MS wouldn't miss "a good sized niche", they failed.
> >
> > You have your "facts" all wrong.
> >
> > MS asked IBM to kill OS/2 - Period. Again, Mr. Norris' testimony is
> > available on-line. Of course some times the facts are made to fit the
> > opinion, in this case IBM is culpable. IBM decided to not unilaterally
> > cede markets to MS and also break the law by colluding with MS to not
> > compete.
> >
> > "Hey I told him I'd shoot him if he breathed."
> >
>
> IBM charged an arm and a leg to get an OS/2 devlopment kit while Microsoft gave them
> away free at schools.
> But MS killed off OS/2.
> IBM didn't embrace the concept of CD's and multimedia untell way late in the game,
> forcing users to install 50+ 1.44meg disks.
> But MS killed off OS/2.
> OS/2 refused to support an easy install method, forcing users to edit a 200+ line
> CONFIG.SYS file to add a CD-ROM driver.
> But MS killed off OS/2.
> IBM droped all consumer level support for OS/2 forcing users to pay up to 200$ an
>hour
> for help installing the thing.
> But MS killed off OS/2.
>
> Face it, IBM did the deed with little help from MS. I used OS/2 up to Warp and liked
>it
> a lot, but the lack of software and tool support made it no longer worth dealing
>with.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >from preventing PC vendors from selling a PC with anything
> > > >but MS OS and had they done the very simple thing of providing
> > > >ports of their Office Suite for OS/2 as they did for the Mac.
> > >
> > > True, but was any of that a secret that was kept from IBM? Of
> > > course not, they knew MS's terms.
> >
> > "Hey I told him I'd shoot him if he breathed." Those are the terms.
> >
> > When does this argument become ridiculous? A man who wants to ridicule
> > IBM for not supporting OS/2 has now flipped his argument. IBM should have
> > know better.....so should have MS which is why they are the ones who butts
> > are in court facing a break-up. It is not as if anti-trust laws were kept
> > secret. MS knew the law. IBM survived the encounter, MS will probably
> > not survive. Who won?
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From: "ax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Looking For Linux Training Providers
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:52:56 GMT
I am looking for good Unix/Linux training providers.
LinuxCare currently offers some Linux training courses
but those courses are mostly for system administrators.
Are there other training providers which offer courses
for software developers?
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