Linux-Advocacy Digest #933, Volume #25 Tue, 4 Apr 00 05:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: it is OUT, MS is GUILTY ! (Craig Kelley)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Craig Kelley)
Re: A Microsoft Cartoon (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: BEOS 5 the new star in OS's (Craig Kelley)
Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped (Craig Kelley)
Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading (Multi_OS)
Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading (Karen Mansbridge-Wood)
Re: So where are the MS supporters. ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: BEOS 5 the new star in OS's (Sascha Bohnenkamp)
In your face, Roger! MS fights dirty! (Truckasaurus)
Re: LINUX IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: So where are the MS supporters. (Truckasaurus)
Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading (David Steinberg)
Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
What should be done with MS
Re: Linux mail/news application questions (Andreas Rottmann)
Re: MANDRAKE 7.0!!!!!!!!! - Linux has finally convinced me. (Martijn Bruns)
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (John Hasler)
Re: Microsoft NOT a monopoly (Martijn Bruns)
Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading ("Boris")
Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible (No Name)
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Subject: Re: it is OUT, MS is GUILTY !
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 Apr 2000 23:17:11 -0600
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> bob@nospam wrote:
> >
> > Judge Rules Against Microsoft
> >
> > WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal judge today found that Microsoft Corp.
> > (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news)
> > violated the Sherman Antitrust Act, legal sources said.
> >
> > U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson found that the company used its
> > position to ``monopolize the web browser market'' to the detriment of
> > competitors, the sources said.
> >
> > The judge found that Microsoft could also be liable under state
> > anticompetition laws, said the sources, who spoke only on condition of
> > anonymity.
> >
> > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000403/ts/microsoft_44.html
>
> Lets see if the powers that be have the guts to do what is right and
> needed, and break up Microsoft!!!!
As if that would help at all.
We need access to proprietary devices and protocols, not 10 versions
of Windows or a group of "strategic partners", divided into functional
units.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 Apr 2000 23:23:59 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "John W. Stevens" wrote:
> >> [Mathias Warkus wrote:]
>
> >> > Writing HTML is not programming.
> >>
> >> Yes it is.
>
> > I agree. I would consider HTML and {TeX,LaTeX} programming
> > languages. In html, you are programming a web browser to display
> > something. The browser acts as an interpreter for HTML. And, of
> > course, HTML is "Hyper Text Markup Language". Writing a TeX app is
> > also programming, in my view. You are basically programming a
> > typesetter when writing a [La]TeX document.
>
> You would be wrong. Theyre scripting languages, as are TCL, Perl,
> Python, etc. Programming languages would include:
>
> C
> C++
> Fortran
> Pascal
>
> If you do not understand the difference between scripting and
> programming, you are a scripter, not a programmer. :)
If something isn't white, it must be black.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Microsoft Cartoon
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 01:28:53 +0430
Gavin Chafin wrote:
>
> http://downtoearth.bta.com/
Don't quit your day job.
the "star trek" one has all the elements of a joke, except it lacks
humor.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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Subject: Re: BEOS 5 the new star in OS's
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 Apr 2000 23:33:20 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
> On 03 Apr 2000 16:45:54 -0600, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Sascha Bohnenkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> > It is unix-ish under the hood.
> >>
> >> more or less
> >>
> >> > It's kind of interesting to play with,
> >> > if you have the spare time. It really shines with threaded multimedia
> >> > applications
> >>
> >> which? name three
> >
> >You're not really interested.
>
> He's rather justfied. Be may or may not live up to the hype.
> Based on your response, it doesn't. That's a shame really...
Welcome to your own private Slippery Slope(tm) argument, Jedi.
It wasn't long ago that this same thing was said about
$YOUR_CURRENT_OS.
It is a tired argument, and I'm sick of it. If having application
"foo" (and not Foo or FOO for heaven's sake!) is a requirement for you
then nothing is going to convince otherwise. It is boring to follow
this chain of thought over and over again:
o Does $OS_A have $APP_A
- It has $APP_B which is like $APP_A
o Ah-Ha! $OS_A must be a worthless piece of junk, because my spiffy
$OS_B has $APP_A with the new paperclip feature!
- Umm, okay, but $APP_B plus $APP_C do most everything that $APP_A
does; plus they have other benefits not found in $APP_A.
o Are you *honestly* telling me that $OS_A does "most everything"
only? What a joke, $OS_A is a scam. You are all stinky, and you
have long hair.
- Yeah. Whatever.
export $APP_A="SoundBlaster Live"
export $OS_A="Windows"
export $OS_B="Linux"
export $OS_A_MORON_ADVOCATE="Chad Meyers"
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 Apr 2000 23:34:05 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (eyez) writes:
> EEk! snipped too much! ;) Topic: O'Reilly&Associates: Running Linux
> >I would never suggest to a newbie to start learning Linux without
> >recommending this book.
> >
> >Okay, I know that sounded like a paid advertisement, but it's totally
> >sincere: all of the hardest questions are answered by this book. My later
> >Linux experiences have been so rewarding compared to my earlier
> >experiences mainly because of this book.
>
> Indeed. O'Reilly books Are second-to-none for Anything. If you want to
> learn in linux, look first to O'Reilly.
Just stay the HELL away from their Oracle books.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Multi_OS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 05:30:33 GMT
Shares of Linux distributors Corel (CORL), Red Hat (RHAT), and Caldera
(CALD) soared in after hours trading in the wake of m$ being found
_guilty_ of violating the Sherman Antitrust Act,
Corel stock was up by almost 18%, Red Hat 12% and Caldera 1%. Micro$not
stock fell 15% after news of the guilty verdict during the day and
gained 2% in alter hours for a net loss of 13%.
It is widely believed that Bill Gates has been buying up m$ stock in an
attempt to shore up the price in spite of his financial advisors
recommending that he dump it.
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karen Mansbridge-Wood)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 06:00:43 GMT
On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 05:30:33 GMT Multi_OS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jotted:
>It is widely believed that Bill Gates has been buying up m$ stock in an
>attempt to shore up the price in spite of his financial advisors
>recommending that he dump it.
Given his personality type, I find it difficult to believe that Bill Gates would
actually keep any advisors who told him the truth, if he didn't like the truth they
were telling him.
Karen
Where do I want to go today?
I want to go where *I* want to go,
Not where MS wants to send me.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:23:03 -0500
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I just check on at, 10:25 PM EST to see what the MS supporters had to
> say about the court ruling, and low and behold, nothing.
>
> Hmmm, I am left to wonder.
The verdict isn't really the final factor. Microsoft will most likely be
appealing, and whatever the results of that appeal will be the real
judgement. Jackson has been overruled repeatedly in the past in regards to
Microsoft, and it would appear to me that they have a good case for appeal
considering the one sided nature that Jackson took in his findings of fact
(it's nearly word for word from the governments documents).
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From: Sascha Bohnenkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: BEOS 5 the new star in OS's
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 08:50:16 +0200
> You're not really interested.
no I am interested.
If there ARE some apps which run better on BeOS than on
Linux I want to know which and WHY.
(maybe Linux could be patched than :) )
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From: Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: In your face, Roger! MS fights dirty!
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 06:32:24 GMT
http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/ms-conclusions.html
--
"It's the best $50 bucks I ever spent. I would have paid five
times that for what your 'New You' packet allowed me to do!!!"
-- K. Waterbury, CA
Martin A. Boegelund.
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LINUX IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 06:42:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian) wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:08:43 -0800, Ilya Grishashvili wrote:
>>I feel sorry when I see that Linux more and more looks like
>>M$ Windoze (understand me right, I mean user interface, all
>>the fancy buttons and stuff).
>>
>
> Linux looks better than Windows. Just look at the enlightenment/Gnome thing.
> But you're right, everything bears some kinda resemblance with M$.
>
> Bastian
>
>
Nay, this is not true. They all inherit from PARC, Not microSoft.
Katt
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From: Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So where are the MS supporters.
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 06:53:47 GMT
In article <2OfG4.89$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > I just check on at, 10:25 PM EST to see what the MS supporters had
to
> > say about the court ruling, and low and behold, nothing.
> >
> > Hmmm, I am left to wonder.
>
> The verdict isn't really the final factor. Microsoft will most likely
be
> appealing, and whatever the results of that appeal will be the real
> judgement. Jackson has been overruled repeatedly in the past in
regards to
> Microsoft, and it would appear to me that they have a good case for
appeal
> considering the one sided nature that Jackson took in his findings of
fact
> (it's nearly word for word from the governments documents).
Hmmm. Maybe the government just were well-prepared, and 'had a case'?!?
--
"It's the best $50 bucks I ever spent. I would have paid five
times that for what your 'New You' packet allowed me to do!!!"
-- K. Waterbury, CA
Martin A. Boegelund.
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading
Date: 4 Apr 2000 07:17:29 GMT
Multi_OS ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Corel stock was up by almost 18%, Red Hat 12% and Caldera 1%. Micro$not
: stock fell 15% after news of the guilty verdict during the day and
: gained 2% in alter hours for a net loss of 13%.
Woo hoo!
I'm going to the Corel Road Show tommorrow, where they'll be telling us
that Corel WordPerfect Office is the greatest thing sinced sliced
bread. But, I have a feeling they'll be a bit of a party atmosphere
there. It should be lots of fun.
: It is widely believed that Bill Gates has been buying up m$ stock in an
: attempt to shore up the price in spite of his financial advisors
: recommending that he dump it.
I bet Billy-boy is rocking so hard his face is hitting his desk.
I know the judgement wasn't really a surprise, but I think that Microsoft
losing 15% BEFORE it was even announced probably was.
--
David Steinberg -o) Boycott Amazon.com! Fight
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \ the "1-Click Order" patent:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v http://www.nowebpatents.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:11:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karen Mansbridge-Wood) wrote:
>
> On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 05:30:33 GMT Multi_OS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
jotted:
>
> >It is widely believed that Bill Gates has been buying up m$ stock in
an
> >attempt to shore up the price in spite of his financial advisors
> >recommending that he dump it.
>
> Given his personality type, I find it difficult to believe that Bill
> Gates would actually keep any advisors who told him the truth, if he
> didn't like the truth they were telling him.
.
Agreed, It's my understanding that three of the people who wrote
"friends of the court" papers in SUPPORT of MS, told Billy that it was
in the best intrest of MS to settle before the verdict. Did Bully
listen? no!
.
>
> Karen
>
> Where do I want to go today?
> I want to go where *I* want to go,
> Not where MS wants to send me.
>
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: What should be done with MS
Date: 4 Apr 2000 07:25:34 GMT
Hi,
In a way I feel sad that the Samurai laws can not apply to Microsoft. I.e.
when a Samurai was found guilty of a crime he comited Hara-Kiri, In the case
of Microsoft it should be bankrupted and never be allowed to start up
bussiness again and Bill Gates should be hanged in public. This would be the
ideal situation.... but then again we don't live in a ideal world ...
Michael
--
Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike,
Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/
B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/
Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976
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From: Andreas Rottmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux mail/news application questions
Date: 04 Apr 2000 02:31:43 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss) writes:
> On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:10:23 GMT, Robert Heininger
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:34:31 GMT,
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' wrote:
> >
> >Well, I'm a Linux newbie too, and although Forte' Agent runs fine in
> >WINE, I scraped it in favor of SLRN, and recently ditched NS mail in
> >favor of Pine. After way too many years of using
> >_butt_ugly_inefficient_doze_apps_, I'm quite happy to be using proven
> >and high quality text based applications again.
>
> Yes, agreed. Mail and news are essentially text mediums, so why weight
> it down with a pretty face. The only limit to what can be done with
> mutt + procmail is imagination.
>
but you also might give (X)Emacs/Gnus a try, have a look at:
http://www.gnus.org
Note that it handles both mail and news, witch I find quite
convienient...
Andy
--
Andreas Rottmann (Dru@ICQ, 54523380@ICQ)
Pfeilgasse 4-6/725, A-1080 Wien, Austria, Europe
http://www.altern.org/arot/
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[one of 78,35% Austrians who didnīt vote for Haider!]
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From: Martijn Bruns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MANDRAKE 7.0!!!!!!!!! - Linux has finally convinced me.
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:20:27 +0200
I've seen Mandrake 7.0. It's a fine distribution. It's a little slow
though, compared to SuSE. Why is this?
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:12:58 GMT
I wrote:
> No. Software is clearly not capital.
vladr13 writes:
> Is working in a group of equals in spirit of cooperation rather than
> competition and distribitiog products of you labour for free to anyone
> who desires them capitalistic?
What does that have to do with the question of whether or not software is
capital? Hint: scarcity is an essential feature of capital.
> Why have money when you distribute the products of your labour for free
> and in turn you can have products of other peoples labout for free too?
How do you intend to figure out how much of what is needed where and when?
That's what money is for. Eliminating money won't eliminate wealth. It'll
just ruin the efficiency of your economy. The rich will still be rich, but
the poor will be a hell of a lot poorer.
> no monsters like Microsoft.
I wrote:
> Monsters like the Soviet Union instead?
vladr13 writes:
> You must be really stupid if you think Soviet Union was a communist
> country.
"Communist country" is an oxymoron. I compared the Soviet Union to
Microsoft: I said nothing about communism.
Jim Richardson writes:
> It claimed it was, it also claimed that communism was a good thing.
The politicians who ran it made those claims. They lied, of course: they
were politicians, after all.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: Martijn Bruns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft NOT a monopoly
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:37:51 +0200
Linux source must be made available to Microsoft? Isn't it already?
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From: "Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux stocks soar in aftermarket trading
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:23:43 -0700
So what? Linux companies are going nowhere. Actually, it's good time to buy MS stock.
Another good stock is Compaq; it's pretty low right now. They are having exciting
high-end
servers(Wildfire) based on Alpha chip released this Summer. If you take a look at CPU95
and CPU2000 results on www.spec.org , you'll see that Compaq Alpha is by far the
fastest
CPU available. X86 is in the middle. Sun Sparc is deep in shit-hole.
Boris
"Multi_OS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8cbulq$t7e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Shares of Linux distributors Corel (CORL), Red Hat (RHAT), and Caldera
> (CALD) soared in after hours trading in the wake of m$ being found
> _guilty_ of violating the Sherman Antitrust Act,
>
> Corel stock was up by almost 18%, Red Hat 12% and Caldera 1%. Micro$not
> stock fell 15% after news of the guilty verdict during the day and
> gained 2% in alter hours for a net loss of 13%.
>
> It is widely believed that Bill Gates has been buying up m$ stock in an
> attempt to shore up the price in spite of his financial advisors
> recommending that he dump it.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (No Name)
Subject: Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible
Date: 4 Apr 2000 09:01:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:44:24 GMT, Robert Heininger said:
>
>
>On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:59:21 -0600,
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Tim Kelley' wrote:
>
>>http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000331S0002
>
>What's the big deal? It's only just an "issue", according to Microsoft.
>Didn't you read the whole article? What's wrong with you? All the facts
>that _you_need_to_know_ are right there in the last sentence. What's your
>point? ;-)
So is W2K not a buggy OS but an issuey one?
I knew it. We knew it. Brace yourself for the avalnche of issues.
At least the Linux community calls things by their name, and when
there is a bug, bug it is called.
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