Linux-Advocacy Digest #933, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 11:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The 130MByte text file ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The 130MByte text file ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: questions (windows & Mac)....? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NTFS Limitations ("Chad Myers")
Re: NTFS Limitations ("Chad Myers")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux is a fad? (Craig Kelley)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Mark Styles)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Craig Kelley)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Karel Jansens)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:05:14 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Steve Mading wrote:
> :>
> :> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> : Ian Davey wrote:
> :> :>
> :> :> You've still not managed to convince me. But perhaps it's just a matter of
> :> :> semantics, Atheism is a lack of *religious* beliefs (theism), but not a lack
> :> :> of belief. Does that work better for you? So an Atheist believes something
> :> :> other than religion.
> :>
> :> : There's an old law of military command:
> :>
> :> : Failure to come to a decision is a decision in itself.
> :>
> :> : Do the math.
> :>
> :> "Failure to come to a decision is a decision" is self
> :> contradictory. It fits the patern: X == not(X).
>
> : Stop being pedantic, and try understanding the MEANING of the statement.
>
> I do understand the meaning of the words you used. If you meant them
> to mean something totally different, that's not my miscommunication,
> it's yours. Implicit metaphor has no place in a logical discussion.
you're using semantics to avoid the idea being communicated.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:06:23 -0500
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > Nick Condon wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron R. Kulkis) wrote in
> > > > >
> > > > > >However, this has NOTHING to do with Microsoft. They have NEVER been
> > > > > >*granted* a government-sanctioned monopoly.
> > > > >
> > > > > All copyrights and patents are government granted monopolies. Microsoft
> > > > > holds many.
> > > >
> > > > And how many of them read "THE desktop operating system for office and
> > > > home users"?
> > >
> > > well, for one, the US DoD requires all documentation in "ms-word 6.0
> > > for windows" format.
> >
> > Strange...I'm in the Army, and I've never heard of it.
>
> the military contractors have been living with it for about five years.
>
> > And that's STILL not a monopoly...that's a contract provision.
>
> ok, how about this?
>
> i'd love to take a windows NT disk and replicate it with my cd-r and
> sell copies for $10. however, if i did it on a large enough scale,
> the government would kick down my door and throw me into prison. it
> seems no one else but microsoft are allowed to sell NT in this
> country. that is a monopoly. and, in addition, one enforced by
> threats of violence against you from your own government.
NONE of which prevents anybody from marketing their own desktop OS.
>
> i am sure that back in the day of the match monopoly (in sweden)
> people objected and said, that's not a monopoly, you can still rub two
> sticks together if you need a fire.
>
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
From: imekon@$$$REMOVE$$$.freeuk.com (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:07:42 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Dear pete, if you would simply remove this line you put into your
>/etc/fstab
>
>/dev/kmem swap n_a n_a n_a
>
>you MIGHT get better results....MORON.
That's such a brilliant response, pretty much what I'd expect from you, AK.
--
Pete Goodwin
----
On Windows 98 SE.
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Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
From: imekon@$$$REMOVE$$$.freeuk.com (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:10:56 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>What took you so long?
Because, dummie, the Cable company I'm with only recently added Cable
Internet to my area.
--
Pete Goodwin
---
On Windows 98 SE.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:12:33 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:44:54 -0500, Aaron Lehmann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ><snippage>
> >> Trivial to a programmer maybe.
> >> Non trivial to a musician,
> >Why would a musician care about the things you posted?
> >You seemed to care about graphics, ergonomics, and visualizations...
> >Never once did you mention pushing the "PLAY" button...
>
> It's about FUN, not pushing buttons and that is the difference the
> Penguinista's fail to see. It plays just as well as any of the others
> out there, it's just more fun to use.
Translation:
in Flatfish's world, watching the oscilloscope display of the music
is MUCH more important than an uninterrupted playback.
>
> Sure if I'm doing DA work, I'll fire up SoundForge or Wavelab or
> something like that. But for just playing a CD or mp3 I like the media
> player because it looks nice, it is simple to use and it is FUN
> because it is full of eye candy and everything is there right in one
> package. I don't have to figure out what's available, what it does and
> if I would want to use it.
> Are there more sophisticated players out there? Sure there are.
> Musicmatch is one of them.
> Better burners?
> Sure. Wavelab or Nero are both better by far and they cost quite a bit
> as well.
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
Because its BRAIN HAS BEEN FLATTENED
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:13:25 -0500
Mig wrote:
>
> Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
>
> >
> > I never wrote a text file that big :-)
> >
> > I think my record is around 200M.
>
> I cant even imagine the use of it. Whats in the 200M ?
>
output of
od -c /dev/kmem
> --
> Cheers
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:14:16 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Tim wrote:
>
> > Try again as a non-root user.
>
> I always log in as 'goodwin' a non-super-user. I use root _only_ when I'm
> configuring something.
^^^^^^^^^^^
you misspelled 'sabotaging', asshole.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: questions (windows & Mac)....?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:20:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:40:37 +1100, Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Peter Hayes wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:48:45 -0000, "Daza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > Apple are leagues
> >> > ahead of everyone else at designing hardware and software for the average
> >> > man/women/alien in the street.
> >>
> >> Then why isn't the world and its brother running Macs? Style over
> >> substance.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >
> >Because Apple priced itself out of the market in the early 1990s when MS
> >released Windows 3.1.
>
> What about the 80's?
>
> There was at least 5 years there were there was NO viable
> GUI from Microsoft. Even when Microsoft did manage one
> (early 90's) you still had to deal with ALL of the old
> 1981 sort of arcana from MS-DOS.
>
> Windows 3.1 WAS STILL DOS.
95 and 98 are still, also.
The vaneer is just a bit thicker...that's all.
>
> [deletia]
>
> --
>
> Also while the herd mentality is certainly there, I think the
> nature of software interfaces and how they tend to interfere
> with free choice is far more critical. It's not enough to merely
> have the "biggest fraternity", you also need a way to trap people
> in once they've made a bad initial decision.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:07:28 GMT
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> > >Okay, unless Chad was lying about the plonking, he probably won't
> > >see this, but it needs to be said, to defend myself: The question
> > >"Have you stopped beating your wife?" is often used as a classic
> > >example of the practice of assuming facts not in evidence during
> > >the phrasing of a question. I had thought that this reference was
> > >a standard part of pop culture and everyone would know it. Perhaps
> > >I was wrong about that. I was making reference to the fact that
> > >Chad was trying to hide an unsupported assertion inside his question:
> > >the assertion that Linux is the most vulnerable web server platform.
>
> What Chad doesn't want to talk about is that
> even though windows has barely 20% of the
> web serving market on the internet,
20% of the "My Cat Fluffy" web sites, but more than half of the
real business web sites out there.
IMHO, I'd rather have 50%+ of the business and ecommerce market
than the "My Cat Fluffy" or "My Trip to DisneyLand" web sites,
but ymmv. Apache can have the thousands and thoudands of one
hit/month web sites, for all I care.
When you look at sites with SSL (even according to Netcraft's
own numbers) Windows dominates.
> it has the lead in the number of website defacements,
NT does, not Win2K. Besides, even with NT and 2K combined,
Linux still gives Windows a run for its money. On some months,
Linux will smoke Windows with defacements, other months, Windows
will eek out the lead.
> a fact well documented on the site devoted to tracking this matter.
Attrition.org? If you look at attrition.org you'll see Linux holds
it's own in the defacements category.
> The common fud is that "if Unix ever became as
> popular a platform as windows nt, it would have
> all the same virus and security problems that
> windows nt does"
Which is a fact. As Linux becomes more popular, we're seeing new
attacks, we're seeing it used as distributed DoS clients and
servers (in the now infamous ebay amazon attacks), we seeing
record high defacements, etc.
> - In the light of the fact that Unix, which powers over 2/3
> of the websites on the net
(mainly all the "My cat fluffy" sites, oh yeah, and this
overinflated number includes each virtual host on a server as
another server which incorrectly inflates the numbers)
A number which is on the decline. Unix also powers less than
half of the SSL sites, a category where Windows dominates.
This tells us that when money and security are on the line,
people trust Windows more than Unix.
It's also interesting that you lump Linux in with Unix.
When you need to give Linux some credibility, you lump it
with Unix, but when you don't want to make it seem like
Linux is just another useless Unix, you claim Linux != Unix.
So which is it?
The truth is, of those Unix web virtual hosts (not servers,
there are far less than 2/3 total Unix servers) less than
1-2% of those are Linux servers. Most are Solaris or BSD.
> suffers far fewer website breakins than windows nt,
Linux frequently beats Windows at this.
> which has a small minority of the websites on the net
Minority of "My Cat Fluffy" web sites, but a strong majority
of eCommerce business sites.
> it becomes clear that their position is devoid of merit.
But when you really look at the facts, you see that you
really don't know what the hell you're talking about.
-Chad
------------------------------
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:10:56 GMT
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:95fmge$dju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > : So, with that, I ask you guys:
> > > : 1. Why is Linux the most vulnerable web server platform?
> > >
> > > I don't know. Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
> >
> > *PL0NK*
> >
> > Now I KNOW that even YOU don't know what the hell you're talking about.
> >
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/security/defendwb.asp
>
> Read this and then let's see who's the one who doesn't know
> what he's talking about.
>
> In case you have some difficulty in reading (as it seems to
> be the case), I draw your attention to the following
> paragraphs:
These numbers are from April 2000 alone. Check out attrition.org
Those are more timely and cumulative numbers. You'll see that
Linux frequently exceeds (usually by a large margin) the number
of Windows defacements.
It's also interesting to note that attrition (not accidentally)
lumps WindowsNT and Windows 2000 together.
Had they seperated them, you would find that Windows 2000 would
have the lowest number of defacements.
So, what have we learned here? That people using NT and Linux
as their web servers are simply not taking security seriously.
We know that NT and Linux can both be deployed in a secure
maner to prevent most attacks under most conditions (because
we've never seen www.microsoft.com hacked, or www.redhat.com),
but yet there are all these thousands of defacements.
Why? That's the question.
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:11:59 GMT
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > microsoft, with their all-out "benchmark buster" web cache
> > > configuration, came close, but you can see the results for
> > > normally aspirated windows pcs way down in the results.
> >
> > There has been an exactly one 8-way windows benchmark, you know.
>
> You don't think there are dozens on the cutting room floor?
>
> I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts they had a lot of results
> that they didn't want to submit, before finally getting one
> close to the Linux results.
So is this what your argument has become?
"I know it's the truth because... I know it! It's a conspiracy!
They're not showing us everything! Linux really is better! I
know it! WAAAAAAHHHHHH"
-Chad
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: 03 Feb 2001 08:36:35 -0700
"--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
(aka flatfish, steve, claire, etc.)
> (do the words USB still strike fear into your heart?...it should, as
> far as I know only mice & keyboards are supported....oh dear)
Wrong. We bought a USB Sandisk compact flash card reader. It
wouldn't work under windows 2000, so my tech was going to return it as
defective. I had just installed the 2.4 kernel and asked if we could
try it out. We plugged it in, and it worked flawlessly. It's great
to run an OS that actually can use your hardware! (Turns out that it
was Adaptec Easy-CD that was causing a 'conflict' -- what kind of
crappy operating system sets up an environment in which 3rd party
applications break DEVICE DRIVERS?)
> d) not worry that the libraries will get broken if i had to install beta
> test software.
That's why we have packages.
> e) use a good browser rather than the beta offerings or the half finished
> offerings given to linux users. LOL - case in point Netscape 4.x/6 and
> Konqueror..... NOW thats BAD.
At least they don't crash the desktop all the time like IE 5.5.
> f) worry about getting the latest Kernel and then buggering it all up
> because the kernel needs to be patched to enable sound, PPP etc etc rah rah
> rah
Just download a new package and double-click on it.
> h) avoid arcane command line crap....i mean, who the hell wants to go
> through an entire user manual to get the sound card to initialise and then
> find it wont ?
Like a soundblaster live, perhaps?
Troll.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:26:28 -0500
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 05:07:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Difference my experience is real and yours is imagined or you would
>have posted it here earlier in glee.
My true story is just one of a hundred I could post every week if I
wanted to. If I posted every windows crash story I get, I'd probably
be accused of spamming.
I use two PCs at home, one a P200 with 64Mb RAM running a modified
Suse 6.4 distro with a 2.4 kernel. The other is a P500 with 128Mb RAM,
running Windows 98SE.
The Linux PC has _never_crashed, and has only been down because of
powercuts and upgrades. The Windows PC crashes and requires reboots
with extreme regularity.
>On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:54:35 -0500, Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 04:25:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
>>>properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
>>>just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
>>>and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
>>>times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
>>>again.
>>>Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
>>>Can't login to another terminal.
>>>Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
>>>BRS time.
>>
>>So today I went to start up my windows palm pilot software, and it
>>crashed straight away. I tried again and explorer crashed.
>>Ctrl-alt-del worked a few times, but Windows would not shut down. In
>>the end it hung completely.
>>BRS time.
>>
>>>Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
>>>churning still has not produced a working system.
>>
>>Next boot up, Windows took an age to scandisk, and I had corrupted
>>files. When it finally got into Windows, it told me I had a registry
>>error and had to reboot again. Three reboots later it finally seemed
>>to be ok, until about an hour later when Windows hung again.
>>
>>>Great system this Windows.
>>>Great system indeed.
>>>Great system NOT!!!!
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: 03 Feb 2001 08:42:27 -0700
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> J Sloan wrote:
>
> > If you said yes to telnet, and allowed the installation
> > to complete successfully, then telnet is there, but
> > you may have inadvertently disabled it, or purposely
> > disabled it for all we know, so as to "counter linux
> > advocacy".
>
> I said yes to telnet and it was not there. I did not delete it or disable
> it in any way. I believe this is a problem with the Mandrake installer.
I installed Windows NT and it didn't include telnet either.
I think I'll jump into comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy and start
whinning.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 16:04:39 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > I shall expand the list for you.....
> >
> > Sinclair Microdrives (UK tape alternatives to floppies in the 80's)
> >
> > Sinclair C5
> >
> > TV-AM
> >
> > Peter Mandleson MP
>
> LOL! Only one of those relly DESERVED to go.
>
Oh, _now_ I get it! (I get most of my UK newsfeeds from "Have I Got
News for You")
Good one, Jeepster.
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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