Linux-Advocacy Digest #955, Volume #25 Wed, 5 Apr 00 02:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Terry Porter)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Jim Richardson)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Terry Porter)
Re: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine! (Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine! (Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Christopher Browne)
Re: 2000: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine! (Jim Richardson)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters. (Terry
Porter)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux mail/news application questions (Jim Richardson)
Re: So where are the MS supporters. (Terry Porter)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
(Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: Linux mail/news application questions (Terry Porter)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
supporters.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 5 Apr 2000 12:53:20 +0800
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:09:16 GMT,
Leonard F. Agius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:44:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:57:04 GMT,
Leonard F. Agius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>fmc wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "Mark S. Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In article
>> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > >Linux truely speaks for itself. For every geek that loves the control
>> >>> > >there are 500 normal users that need to accomplish tasks that require
>> >>> > >software that simply is not available under Linux. Or if it is
>> >>> > >available, it is so crude and ugly looking it is not worth mentioning.
>> >>> > >Or it's simply not compatible with what the rest of the free world is
>> >>> > >running.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The true situation is that applications fulfilling the
>> >>> > requirements (with the exception of games) of most Windows
>> >>> > users are *now* available under Linux, almost all of them
>> >>> > at no cost.
>> >>>
>> >>> Most people have some requirements that go beyond the standard
>> >>> WP/Spreadsheet/Browser. I need a financial app like Quicken or MS Money, a
>> >>> tax preparation program like TurboTax, TaxCut, or TaxSaver, and project
>> >>> management software like MS Project or CA-SuperProject. These don't exist
>> >>> for Linux. I also can't manage my bank accounts online. That requires
>> >>> either Windows or Mac.
>> >>>
>> >>> For myself, I'll wait to try Linux again until solutions for my needs become
>> >>> available. It will be a long wait if I have to rely on the open source
>> >>> community to provide them.
>> >>>
>> >>> fmc
>> >>
>> >>fmc hit the nail right on the head. There aren't the off-the-shelf solutions for
>> >>Linux, or any of the other OS's, save Apple/Mac. I can't port my scanner's
>> >>software to Linux or BEOS, I can't get as inexpensive AND well supported (notice
>> >>I qualified it with both inexpensive AND well supported) an image editor as
>> >>Paint Shop Pro. I can't get a fax/voice mail solution like Win Fax or Talkworks
>> >
>> > Gimp satisfies that criterion quite nicely actually. As far as
>> > 'porting' something, that's your burden. There are abstractions
>> > available for that sort of thing (SANE vs. TWAIN).
>>
>> Don't make me laugh. My $69.00 Canon scanner came with enough "free"
"Steve" is still so naive he believes there is such a thing as a "free dinner".
>> software to blow the doors off anything Linux has, including Gimp.
Bull "Steve", youre troll imigination is working overtime again.
>> Not to mention it worked perfectly out of the box.
>> The wizards did everything from configuring to prompting me through
>> making my first scan.
Well now, arent we a lucky lil vegimite ?
Sad about the other apps it broke, while your pretty little splash screen
filled your small mind with warm fuzzy thoughts.
>>
>> Worked like a charm right out of the box and no overpriced SCSI
>> needed.
SCSI offers things you don't understand "Steve", your wasting youe time
with this one.
>>
>> Sane?
>>
>> Should be called insane...What a joke.....
Nope you're the sad joke "Steve the troll"
>>
>> Linux misses the boat again. When will you people understand that
>> setup.exe is your friend?
When will you understand youve been fooled *BIGTIME*.
>>
>> In this case all I did was pop the CD in and away it went.
Wow, reminds me of Ygdrassil Linux in 1993 :)
>>
>> Steve
>
>LOL!!! You tell 'em, Steve.
Hes been trying for over 2 years, "Steve" is well known as a lying Wintroll
without any credibility.
You'd best choose your allies a little more carefully, less they paint
you with their brush.
> When the hell are these people going to realize that the
>majority of people WANT the MS Monopoly...they want a COMMON STANDARD, not
a bunch of incompatible Unix variants!!!
Ms has few common standards, only MS standards.
You really have no clue do you ?
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 04:52:22 GMT
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:42:43 GMT,
Christopher Browne, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John W. Stevens would say:
>>Matthias Warkus wrote:
>>> HTML is
>>> not Turing complete. It hasn't got switches or looping constructs.
>>
>>Correct . . . but off topic. The assertion I made (that got snipped),
>>is:
>>
>>Every interaction with a computer is "programming".
>>
>>CREATING the HTML is an act of programming . . . unless you are trying
>>to prove that Human beings are not Turing complete?
>
>It's clear that when someone "programs" things that involve Loops and
>Data Storage, that this is programming.
>
>If, in contrast, someone is merely attaching HTML attributes to bits
>of text, this can be indistinguishable from writing a document using a
>word processor.
>--
Not to detract from the point re: programming
But couldn't the <></> tag pairs be considered registers?
Like
<b>Bold register active</b> bold register inactive
(sorry if this fragment of html screws up your newsreader anyone. )
Crude as heck, and still leaves the conditional branch unnaccounted for,
but amusing none-the-less.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 04:55:20 GMT
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:41:02 +0000,
Colin R. Day, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:49:35 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >It was the Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:21:57 -0600...
>> >...and John W. Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > > > "Programming" means creating a program.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Yep. As in, for example:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > First, I'm gonna click on that button to do X, then I'm going to use
>> >> > > that slider to do Y, then I'm going to save this file as Z . . .
>> >> >
>> >> > Pointless. By your definition, feeding my cat is programming, too.
>> >>
>> >> Is your cat a computer?
>> >
>> >No. However, your argument is still pointless. Programming is creating
>> >the implementation of an algorithm, that usually is then stored in and
>> >executed by a computer.
>> >
>> >In your abovementioned example, would you care to explain where the
>> >algorithm is and how it is implemented, stored and executed?
>> >
>> >Using a GUI involves executing an algorithm with your own *brain*,
>> >just like very much everything you do. You're trying to explain me
>> >that everything you do is programming if you do it to a computer.
>> >Well, if that is so, why isn't it programming when I do it to a cat?
>>
>> Well, if you can manage to get your cat to follow the same
>> precise set of instructions, deterministically, over and
>> over again then you will have programmed your cat.
>
>No. Because what you have wouldn't be a cat anymore!
yeah, it'd be some weird feline aibo thing... real cats would pee on it...
or not, as the mood took them :)
Anyway, as any cat caretaker knows, the cat is the one doing the programming...
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 5 Apr 2000 12:59:35 +0800
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:23:52 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 04 Apr 2000 23:51:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien) wrote:
>>Finace management and tax preparation
>>http://freshmeat.net/appindex/x11/financial.html
>>
>>My bank allows me to use any browser capable of SSL.
>
>You're joking right?
>
>You are comparing a collection of checkbook balancing programs to
>QuickBooks ?
>
>Oh, I really like PTax98. "Computes MOST of the 1998 Federal 1040EZ?
>
>I'll bet the IRS is real interested in the part it doesn't compute.
>
>I'll be sure to watch for the 2000 update so I can switch from
>TaxCut...
>
>What a joke....
>
>Steve
You've sunk to new (low) levels of Wintrollism "Heather/Steve", he responded
to *on line banking* and you jump in with TAX software!!
Do you know the difference between on line banking, home financial software
and tax software "Heather/Steve" ?
Do you have *any* clue at all ?
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine!
Date: 5 Apr 2000 05:05:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tim Kelley allegedly wrote:
>Otto wrote:
>>
>> "Tim Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[SNIP]
>> > 5. Linux 2.4
>>
>> When, isn't it already late?
>
>?
What he means is referring to is the fact that Linus wanted to have the 2.4
Kernel out by now. It required more work and testing than originally expected,
so it's not out yet. There was not ever an official release date scheduled.
--
"The UNIX philosophy is to provide some scraps of metal and an enormous
roll of duct tape. With those -- and possibly some scraps of your own
-- you can conquer the world." -- G. Sumner Hayes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine!
Date: 5 Apr 2000 05:06:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Otto allegedly wrote:
Welcome to the scorefile. I shant be hearing from you again.
*plonk*
--
"The UNIX philosophy is to provide some scraps of metal and an enormous
roll of duct tape. With those -- and possibly some scraps of your own
-- you can conquer the world." -- G. Sumner Hayes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 05:07:24 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Terry Porter would say:
>On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:07:54 GMT, fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I also can't manage my bank accounts online. That requires
>>either Windows or Mac.
>Not for long.
Ah, so you've volunteered to build an OFX client for CBB or GnuCash?
Which language are you planning to use? Tcl? Perl? C? Or Guile?
--
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working exclusively for me or being executed."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: 2000: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 05:07:15 GMT
On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:57:07 -0700,
Bob Lyday, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Nigel Feltham wrote:
>>
>> >>> 6. Corel Office for linux
>> >>
>> >>So?
>> >
>> > Something else to undermine an MS monopoly, although less effective
>> > than something you can point out to a WinDOS user and say "pssst
>> > this is free and does what you pay MS regular upgrades for".
>> >>
>> How about Sun Staroffice
>
>I would like to try it but isn't it kinda slow?
>
I prefer Applix for that (and other) reasons. Applix was rather slow
on a 486-33 :) but is snappy enough on my PII-233 laptop.
I also *hate* the way Staroffice takes over the whole damn screen, with a
wannabe windowmanager lookalike window.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 5 Apr 2000 13:10:19 +0800
On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:55:22 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 4 Apr 2000 23:02:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk) wrote:
>
>>In article <uroG4.36898$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>fmc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>"Mark S. Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In article
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>You're forgetting about the WINE (Win32 emulator) system
>>that runs under Linux. It will run a lot of the non-
>>multimedia Windows software, without needing a copy of
>>Windows. Its development is being supported by Corel.
>>If memory serves, someone posted here months ago that
>>Quicken runs under it.
>>
>>www.winehq.com
>
>So you are going to run those same nasty BSOD producing Windows
>applications under Linux?
>
>Sure makes sense to me :(
>
>>>For myself, I'll wait to try Linux again until solutions for my needs become
>>>available. It will be a long wait if I have to rely on the open source
>>>community to provide them.
>>
>>Why do you say that?
>
>
>The all mighty dollar is the ultimate motivator. Quicken, TurboTax,
>Agent and so forth are realities because of $$$$$.
Wrong $$$ are not the ultimate motivator, except to you "Heather/Steve".
>
>In contrast Linux has a hodge podge collection of semi related, half
>done utilities (there must be millions of them), because there is no
>motivation to produce a quality, easy to use and look at piece of
>software.
None that "Heather/Steve" the WinTroll can see anyway.
I once saw a house a carpenter made for his mother, it was truely a
masterpiece, he did it for love of his mother and his craft.
Free Software is like this, its a art and a craft, and the apps are
written by the authors for themselves. You will never find higher
quality code. Ever.
Compare this to MS, ....deadlines, stress, $$$$ rule.
Does "heather/Steve" really have a clue, of course not, hes just a
WindowsShrill.
> No deadline,
No stress, no shortcuts, no sales droids making your life a misery.
> nobody to scream when it sucks (it's free what
>do you expect?).
Then you must do a lot of screaming with your "perfect" commercial software
if you need that facility ?
>
>When commercial applications coders see $$$$ in Linux the quality
>applications will come.
Theyre here already, theyve been here for years.
> Until then?
Until then you'l be a troll "Heather/Steve"
>
>What you see is what you get.
Except with "Heather/Steve" he's a Wintroll, the truth is his enemy.
>Steve
>
>"Linux:no comment is necessary. It speaks for itself. Just try it and
>see for yourself"
>
I did in Aug97, and Linux is freedom.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 05:13:14 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Jim Richardson would say:
>On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:42:43 GMT,
> Christopher Browne, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
>>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John W. Stevens would say:
>>>Matthias Warkus wrote:
>>>> HTML is
>>>> not Turing complete. It hasn't got switches or looping constructs.
>>>
>>>Correct . . . but off topic. The assertion I made (that got snipped),
>>>is:
>>>
>>>Every interaction with a computer is "programming".
>>>
>>>CREATING the HTML is an act of programming . . . unless you are trying
>>>to prove that Human beings are not Turing complete?
>>
>>It's clear that when someone "programs" things that involve Loops and
>>Data Storage, that this is programming.
>>
>>If, in contrast, someone is merely attaching HTML attributes to bits
>>of text, this can be indistinguishable from writing a document using a
>>word processor.
>>--
>
>Not to detract from the point re: programming
>But couldn't the <></> tag pairs be considered registers?
>Like
><b>Bold register active</b> bold register inactive
>
>(sorry if this fragment of html screws up your newsreader anyone. )
>
>Crude as heck, and still leaves the conditional branch unnaccounted for,
>but amusing none-the-less.
Sure, so long as your HTML "program" has the ability to, via only
the tags available in either the HTML 3.2 or 4.0 DTDs, modify
the contents of those pairs.
--
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working exclusively for me or being executed."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Linux mail/news application questions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 05:15:45 GMT
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 04:07:03 GMT,
Christopher Browne, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>The *problem* with the bulk of the text-based news clients is that they
>are a tad *too* linear in the way they work.
>
>It Sure Would Be Nice if, while composing a reply to a particular message,
>I could bounce around to several other messages in the thread to grab
>comments from here and there.
>
>THAT is something that a "GUI-based" system tends to offer, and which
>the traditional text-based readers don't, by virtue of the "GUI ones"
>offering multiple windows/buffers. (The one text-based news client that
>offers many buffers is GNUS...)
>--
This is the one shortcoming of slrn IMHO.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: So where are the MS supporters.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 5 Apr 2000 13:13:48 +0800
On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:13:50 -0500, Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>mlw wrote:
>>
>> I just check on at, 10:25 PM EST to see what the MS supporters had to
>> say about the court ruling, and low and behold, nothing.
>>
>> Hmmm, I am left to wonder.
>
>Hah. Does anyone remember last year, when we had a somewhat
>different crowd of trolls (anyone remember the "Mayor of R'lyeh"
><shudder>?), all the M$ shills were saying the doj was pathetic,
>that the case would go on for years and never be reolved, blah
>blah.
>
>Well, here it is officially:
>
>We were right, you were wrong; we told you so. Nah nah.
>
>
>--
>Tim Kelley
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hahahahah, yeah Tim I remember them, and by golly it *does* look like we
were right and they were wrong! ;-)
What else are we right about, that has yet to happen ....
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Date: 5 Apr 2000 05:18:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers allegedly wrote:
>
>
>"Jeremy Crabtree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Boris allegedly wrote:
>>
>> I see you changed your "From:' field again (to foil killfiles?), anyway,
>> back in you go.
>
>It's funny, because Boris was the one actually contributing something (humor)
That would be a first. Mr. Boris seems to mostly blather on blindly.
(at least, he did when I put him in there the first time)
--
"The UNIX philosophy is to provide some scraps of metal and an enormous
roll of duct tape. With those -- and possibly some scraps of your own
-- you can conquer the world." -- G. Sumner Hayes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
Date: 5 Apr 2000 05:29:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fmc allegedly wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On 04 Apr 2000 23:51:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien) wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:57:04 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
>> >Leonard F. Agius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >| > Most people have some requirements that go beyond the standard
>> >| > WP/Spreadsheet/Browser. I need a financial app like Quicken or MS
>> >| > Money, a tax preparation program like TurboTax, TaxCut, or TaxSaver,
>> >| > and project management software like MS Project or CA-SuperProject.
>> >| > These don't exist for Linux. I also can't manage my bank accounts
>> >| > online. That requires either Windows or Mac.
>> >
>> >Finace management and tax preparation
>> >http://freshmeat.net/appindex/x11/financial.html
>> >
>> >My bank allows me to use any browser capable of SSL.
>>
>> You're joking right?
>>
>
>FRESH MEAT??? ROTFL. That sure has that stable financial aura.
So, you're admitting to us that you didn't even bother to check out the URL?
Apparently you didn't get that Freshmeat.net is a rough Linux equivalent to
download.com or shareware.com
>
>> You are comparing a collection of checkbook balancing programs to
>> QuickBooks ?
>>
>> Oh, I really like PTax98. "Computes MOST of the 1998 Federal 1040EZ?
>>
>> I'll bet the IRS is real interested in the part it doesn't compute.
>
>At least you get to deduct the COST of the software. And the 1999 version
>should be out any day now.
Have you considered using a pencil and paper, and possibly a caluculator?
They're compatile with any OS you can possibly name...
>>
>> I'll be sure to watch for the 2000 update so I can switch from
>> TaxCut...
>>
>> What a joke....
The biggest joke is the blind hatred andrhetoric /YOU/ keep spewing out. You
could AT THE VERY LEAST ///TRY/// the software BEFORE you call is "crap" or
^^^^^^
a "joke."
--
"The UNIX philosophy is to provide some scraps of metal and an enormous
roll of duct tape. With those -- and possibly some scraps of your own
-- you can conquer the world." -- G. Sumner Hayes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux mail/news application questions
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 5 Apr 2000 13:31:50 +0800
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 04:07:03 GMT,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Terry Porter would say:
>>On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:08:40 GMT,
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>
>>>Yeah, but is there a standard contact format?
>>What "standard" contact format exists ?
>
>iCard. See <http://www.ietf.org/>
>
>>> I'm surprised I couldn't
>>>find 2-3 GUI contact managers all using a standard format, and a GUI
>>>mail program that could also use that same format and read the email
>>>address from it.
>>Perhaps because there is no standard to refer to ?
>
>No, probably because he never actually looked for the contact managers
>that use the iCard format.
>
>>>Maybe there is this format, but nobody has told me. ;)
>>I've never heard of one, except tab or comma delimited ascii, and thats
>>a great and universal standard.
>
>Then you're *both* ignorant. iCard has both a MIME-related format and
>an XML encoding.
Thanks Chris, now we are no longer ignorant of this matter :)
>
>>CBB the "cheque book balancer" uses it, way better than a nice
>>proprietary binary format.
>
>I had something to do with the design of that format, and tend to agree.
>
>Note that there are two other notable problems:
>a) CBB is strongly dependent on the TCL "array" widget that is extremely
>*NON*efficient.
>
>b) Claims that CBB replaces "tax preparation" software, as seem to be
>spouted all too often, are NONSENSE.
I've never said that, I'm Australian, and find it easier to get my accountant
to take care of that stuff. I use CBB to produce the summaries for him.
>
>>>I wasn't looking for "Outlook 2001 For Linux!".
>>Hahaha, I don't think it will ever exist, fortunately.
>
>Watch out for GNOME Evolution...
>
>>>> Btw, news is still delivered in text, so what relevance has the
>>>> GUI "or" TEXT debate here ?
>>>
>>>Ease of manipulating messages.
>>
>>I believe Slrn has far better methods to manipulate messages than either
>>Free-Agent, Gravity or Virtual Access. all of which I've used, admittedly
>>only up to Aug97.
>>
>>With Slrns unix pipe facility, the entire range of uxix apps are at your
>>disposal.
>
>Hopefully ispell enters that range at some point...
Fortunately usenet like irc makes allowances.
I'd appreciate a tip of how to do that tho ?
>
>>>Ok, for example:
>>>
>>>While reading news, I come across a topic that looks interesting, I
>>>read the first message, and decide I want to read the thread.
>>>
>>>I have a 56k modem connection, so I want to download the 15 messages in
>>>the thread, so with a gui, I can easy select 15 messages, tell them to
>>>download, then start reading.
>>>
>>>Maybe I want to open 15 messages at the same time. Maybe 3 different
>>>people said something that I want to respond to in 1 message, so I open
>>>three windows w/ each message to quote from.
>>
>>I can't comment here, cause I read online atm, due to lack of HDD space
>>however I get the headers for the 12 groups I read, in a few seconds, using
>>slrn. to read a post I click on it and its d/l. The time is usually insigniff
>>icant.
>>
>>When I used slrnpull to get everything, I had about 21 groups, no binaries
>>and it took about 20 minutes, with a 28.8k modem. During that time I would
>>browse. Later I set up a cron task to dial, at 3am, and fetch the news, and
>>mail, again it's a total piece of cake with Linux, using the methodology
>>*already* in place. The articles were ready for reading in the morning.
>>
>>I will go back to this method soon, when I upgrade from my 1.2 gig drive
>>that's run RH4.2 since Aug97.
>
>The *problem* with the bulk of the text-based news clients is that they
>are a tad *too* linear in the way they work.
>
>It Sure Would Be Nice if, while composing a reply to a particular message,
>I could bounce around to several other messages in the thread to grab
>comments from here and there.
Yes agreed.
>
>THAT is something that a "GUI-based" system tends to offer, and which
>the traditional text-based readers don't, by virtue of the "GUI ones"
>offering multiple windows/buffers. (The one text-based news client that
>offers many buffers is GNUS...)
I like Gnus, sadly I'm outa HDD space atm.
Kind Regards
Terry
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