Linux-Advocacy Digest #955, Volume #34 Mon, 4 Jun 01 11:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Edward
Rosten")
Re: Kernel comparisions ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Windows makes good coasters (Jesse F. Hughes)
Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do (pip)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Chad Myers")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Chad Myers")
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) ("Chad Myers")
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) ("Chad Myers")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts (pip)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Opera (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Pete Goodwin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts (pip)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts (pip)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts (pip)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (chrisv)
Re: What does XP stands for ??? (JamesW)
Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe (chrisv)
Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks: (chrisv)
Re: Argh - Ballmer (Tuomo Takkula)
Re: Opera (flatfish+++)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:10:55 +0100
In article <3b18661d$0$78790$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jan Johanson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On 29 May 2001 16:11:01 -0500, Jon Johansan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > TS is included free with W2K
>>
>> You left the 'server' out of 'W2K server'. If all you need is a
>> workstation plus the remote access, that's an awful lot of money for
>> the remote access.
>
> True, it's server and above but I don't think it's expensive. BUT if you
> need remote gui access to a Pro box, just use something like
> RemotelyAnywhere.
>
> Then again XP home and professional and all other version include TS.
> So, essentially, with XP forward ALL versions of windows will include TS
> free.
Still playing catchup to Linux, then.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kernel comparisions
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:13:08 +0100
> Yeah!
>
> One requiest, though. Don't enter GUI, UI, or any such issues to the
> debate, please.
>
> I'll start with NT's layered I/O model. I think that it allow more
> flexibility than Linux's monolitic model.
>
> Any comments?
I don't know much about NTs IO model. Could you be more specific?
-Ed
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(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 13:49:41 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 04 Jun 2001 03:28:45 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>>On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:12:35 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would try mandrake or redhat, but as I've put so much effort into
> downloading/installing debian, I don't want to lose all that. Unless I
Debian's fine. dpkg tells you exactly what you need to know, and
anyway, is not the tool to use. You should be using "apt-get". THAT's
the package manager. Dpkg is the low-level installer/uninstaller.
Peter
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Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesse F. Hughes)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 13:57:22 GMT
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>PSP (Paint Shop Pro) only costs 100 bucks... and is almost as fully
> >>functional as Photoshop.
> >
> > It costs 100 'bucks' less if you crack it.
>
> Some us have morals and know that stealing is wrong.
>
Oh, but it isn't a crime if he isn't convicted. Please see
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Re: RIP the Linux
desktop) for details.
(I'm not sure whether or not it's morally wrong if no one knows about
his deed, but at least he's not a criminal.)
--
Jesse Hughes
"If you really think there's a bug you should report a bug. Maybe
you're not using it properly... It turns out Luddites don't know how
to use software properly, so you should look into that." -- Bill Gates
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:02:35 +0100
pip wrote:
> and now after saying the above about Joel I read :
http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$245
quotes (assuming this example is real):
1)
"Mikey the Programmer is hacking away on the new FTP client feature of
his groovy Macintosh software. At some point, because he's feeling
frisky, he writes his own string-copy function. That'll teach them pesky
reusability police! Bwa ha ha!"
In Joel's company website he states how code re-use is their policy.
They also state that they hire only the BRIGHTEST programmers.
Strike one
Strike two
Note the work "hacking away", then look at
http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$212
Hmmmmmmmm.
2)
"Suddenly something very strange happens: the ftp daemon she was testing
against crashed. Yes, I know it's a Linux machine and Linux machines
never crash (no snorting sounds from the slashdot crowd, please) but
this dang thing crashed. And she wasn't even touching the server, she
was just FTPing files to it using Mikey's Mac code."
So a program crashing is equated with a systems crash ? Hmmmmm.
3)
"Now, Jill is a very, very good tester, so she's kept a careful log of
what she was doing (the precise pitch and yaw of her head as she rolled
it on the keyboard is in her lab book, for example). She reboots
everything, starts with a clean machine, repeats the steps, and -- Lo
and Behold -- it happens again! The Linux ftp daemon crashed again!
That's twice in one day, now! Take that, Linus."
I am sure that Linus wrote the particular ftp server they are using.
Note the "reboot" mentality.
Strike 3 - "you're out of it son"
Hmmmmmmm. Maybe I should not take as many things on face value. I wonder
if he is just "marketing" ? He does not appear to walk his talk ? Even
if this example is fictitious, it is interesting the attitudes within.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:04:58 -0500
"Mark Lindner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > After installing patches (the list can be found in the NS 6 Solaris install
> > readme), about 10 groups or 50 in all, the next reboot the I get:
> >
> > INIT: Cannot create /var/adm/utmp or /var/adm/utmpx
> >
> > INIT: SINGLE USER MODE
> >
> > ENTER RUN LEVEL (0-6, s or S):
> >
> > Nothing seems to work. I guess installing patches in Solaris is bad
> > as it hoses the OS.
>
> I have *never* had a Solaris patch haphazardly delete system directories, much
> less hose my system. Probably you screwed something up during your install.
Note to self: Install patches using "patchadd" not "pkgadd" =)
> > I'll have to reinstall... again (since last time Netscape's cache
> > filled the root partition when I downloaded the 500+MB Oracle 817
> > install package and the system wouldn't boot anymore).
>
> Your partition table is fucked. Next time, create a separate partition for
> user accounts. It's stupid to have one big partition with everything in it.
It _was_ fucked. After the reinstall, I made on large partition now I have no
problems.
Deviding a 6GB hard disk into itty-bitty 500MB or less segments seems
retarded.
If this was a large server with many users shelling into it, I can
see how that is important, but this is a test server running an Oracle
database which isn't hit heavily, so I have no use for fancy partitioning
that only serves to chip away and the scant space I have available.
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:10:13 -0500
"Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> >
> > I guess you expect everyone in the world to know your quaint little
> > slang (which sounds retarded).
>
> You Seppos have been doing that for many years. Why is it suddenly
> offensive to have thrown back at you what you have regarded as normal
> all your life?
>
> > Stephen was merely educating our blinded Brit that not everyone
> > lives in Britain.
>
> There was no Brit, blinded or otherwise involved. I live as far from
> Britain as it is possible to get. You really have no idea of the world
> outside your village have you?
Exactly what Stephen and I are talking about =)
Thank you for exemplifying it.
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:14:38 -0500
"Shane Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> [ snip ]
> >
> > Actually, there was one thread I'm glad I didn't miss: it was a problem
> > with gcc x-posted to comp.lang.c. Aaron got killfiled by all the regular
> > posters on there.
> >
> > -Ed
> >
>
>
> Sounds like Chad on comp.security.ssh :-)
Yep, I'm glad I was killfiled by all the close-minded morons who refuse
to admit that there are serious security issues with SSH =)
They can just keep cranking out unsecure code so that people like
FluffyBunny can continue compromising sites like SourceForge and
apache.org
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:15:17 -0500
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ffohb$krt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9ffgod$han$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Actually, there was one thread I'm glad I didn't miss: it was a problem
> > with gcc x-posted to comp.lang.c. Aaron got killfiled by all the regular
> > posters on there.
>
> He post a stunning number of 49,800(!!!) posts.
> I wish I had Deja's tracking, so I can tell which groups suffer the most
> from him.
>
> Google hint that those are the groups that he visited the most:
> comp.os.linux.advocacy
> us.military.army
> soc.singles.*
> rec.aviation.military.*
>
> For comparison, I posted around 4400 posts.
> And you didn't evern reach 2000 yet.
Don't forget:
alt.binaries.pictures.goat-sex.anal.d
-c
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:26:21 +0100
Chad Myers wrote:
> I'm sure the brits will have some concocted story about how
> they REALLY invented the Internet first and Europe had had
> the WWW years before the FTP rfc was even submitted.
This is a really pathetic thread but FYI the brits helped with the
crucial TCP bit of the IP layer. It was actually a joint effort. And as
I am sure you already know the nationality of the person who invented
the Web. But like the rest of this thread : IT DOES NOT MATTER. What
matters is good ideas and the WHOLE world is full of them.
The nationality of those who made past achievements is only interesting
in a social studies class. Here we should talk about the world. After
all, if the Internet has proved one thing is that the world can be a
small place, and ideas can flow. Thanks EVERYONE for the Internet.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:03:50 +0100
In article <9f91cu$rfl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > How long have I been here on COLA? Around six months? So how is it that
> > I'm "feigning ignorance" every six or eight months. I've hardly been
> > here that long!
>
> You've been here long enough to feign ignorance on an argument I had with
> you about 6 months ago.
Which as I am repeating myself in saying, is nothing like your
exaggerated claim that I "feigning ignorance" every six or eight months!
> > Boy do you have a broken memory!
> >
> > No wonder you can't post a single shred of evidence!
>
> Why should I reprat myself, hmm?
So the rest have a clue of what you're talking about, and so I can get a
chance to defend myself. As it is, you have posted not one shred of
evidence!
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:57:11 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >It was great until it crashed.
>
> Mine's NEVER crashed, and I use it all the time. Netscape and IE crash
> every few days. And they're slower and less powerful than Opera.
Opera seems to show a blank rectangle for streaming media, and as for
handling of cookies, what's with the most complex dialog box for
accepting/rejecting them?
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:01:06 +0100
In article <9fb823$46f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > Nobody recently has posted a single shred of evidence.
> ^^^^^^^^
>
> sounds like a concession that evidence has been posted, in which case why
> should I have to post more?
I was referring to the alleged evidence in the Oopsie thread that
neither of us have as its gone from our servers.
> If so, what is wrong with the first lot. Perhaps you could post it here
> and say exactly what is wrong with it.
You accuse me of something, you post an example.
--
---
Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:28:51 +0100
Patrick Ford wrote:
> The rest of the world has been putting upwith your Seppo cultural
> arrogance without a murmer for years. You don't like it when it's thrown
> back at you as a joke do you? Squeal like a stuck pig don't you?
Employment Note: "must not employ as a cultural embassy"
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:31:23 +0100
sbd wrote:
>
> yeah, not everyone can be so lucky.
>
> sbd
>
> >
> >Stephen was merely educating our blinded Brit that not everyone
> >lives in Britain.
> >
> >-c
> >
Funny, I like in the UK and often think about the wonderful
possibilities that living in the USA offers. I also love the UK.
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:34:18 +0100
pip wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
> > I'm sure the brits will have some concocted story about how
> > they REALLY invented the Internet first and Europe had had
> > the WWW years before the FTP rfc was even submitted.
>
> This is a really pathetic thread but FYI the brits helped with the
> crucial TCP bit of the IP layer.
Or rather, if we are being pedantic I should say "on top of the IP
layer". :)
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:32:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>But when you bow, make sure you're _facing_ him. Don't want to bend
>over with your back to him, after all. Might be more than he can
>resist.
I have a theory, and I'm sure I'm not alone, that the people who claim
to be the most repelled by certain activities, are the people with
inner conflicts regarding these same activities.
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From: JamesW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:33:11 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> It means eXPerience. In other words, WinXP with be a great eXPerience for
> users.
>
>
That's the funniest one so far!
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:43:28 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>chrisv wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> Sorry, but there's many non-literal forms of effective communication.
>> >> Morons who simply pretend not to understand are not helpful.
>> >
>> >Translation: I, chrisv, am unable to communicate in a clear, effective manner.
>>
>> Translation: I, Aaron Kookis, admit defeat to chrisv AGAIN. As
>> chrisv is OBVIOUSLY correct.
>>
>> Tell us again, Kookis, how it's not possible to communicate in a
>> clear, effective manner without being perfectly literal. LOL!
>
>you're the one making the claim, not me
Wrong again, Kook. It was you claimed you didn't understand my
meaning because I wasn't literal enough, when in fact my meaning was
quite clear. How many times must you lose to me? (I know, you never
have, right? LOL!)
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks:
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:46:20 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>you have no understanding of my work
The newsgroup clown part, we do.
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From: Tuomo Takkula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:58:03 +0200
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Tuomo Takkula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > - GPL based software is very successful and lead to the creation of
> > high quality portable software development tools (GNU-tools) and a
> > very popular, portable stable operating system (Linux) that made
> > its' way into peoples homes and into industry. There is little doubt
> > that the population and business benefit from the GPL license model.
>
> No, they don't, at least not neccecarily.
> The benefit from getting free software, and having the source code
> avialable, that is true.
> But there are plenty of cases where GPL would hinder you, rather than help.
Well, if the government decides that it thinks contributing back is a
good thing, then that's the rule. If a company is not willing to
comply to that (i.e. willing to contribute back) then why should they
be allowed to use it in their software?
> > - BSD license based projects are very successful as well, but at least
> > as the question Linux (GPL) vs BSD (BSD-license) is concerned I
> > think it is fair to say that Linux made the race. The reasons for
> > this are probably irrational (Linux is sexier than BSD, not better,
> > IMHO), but there is no evidence (yet?) that the BSD license will
> > perform better with respect to public benefit than the GPL license
> > does. Regarding the fact that industry is able to use BSD code and
> > is not obliged to return something to the public in return makes
> > that even doubtful.
>
> Yes, there is, MacOS X is partially based on BSD code.
> Apple gave back a lot of things to the BSD community.
Voluntarily, yes. But there is nothing in the BSD license that
enforces this.
> > As I said, I didn't make up my mind yet, but I think that the public
> > can demand from a company that wants to use publicly funded code in
> > their software to contribute back to the public.
>
> But what about *their* code?
> If they improved the PD code, by all means release it to the public, that is
> what Apple did with BSD.
> But why should they be forced to release *their* code?
>
> > As contributing back
> > in form of sources is within the GPL model which seems to work fine in
> > that respect, I cannot see any reason not to GPLize publicly funded
> > code.
>
> But the GPL is much more than just give the source that you changed back.
>
> > Executive summary: GPLize publicly funded code until a license pops up
> > that performs better in terms of public benefit.
>
> Okay, let me try and give an example.
> The goverment fund a new FS (I'm getting tired of protocols examples).
> And release it under the GPL.
>
> Apple want to use it, so it takes the code, port it to Mac OSX, and put it
> there.
> Then the FSF comes and says, "Hi, this is code is being called by the kernel
> and the I/O layers, so you must GPL the kernel"
> So Apple GPL the kernel and all the I/O layers.
> Then the FSF comes are says, "Hi, this code makes calls to the kernel, and
> *this* one makes calls to the I/O layer."
> And they keep doing it until only GPL code remain in Mac OS X.
>
> (There might be some things that are wrong here, but I'm making an *example*
> here, not delving on technicalities.)
>
> You see the problem here?
> Because of the propogating effects of the GPL, Apple wouldn't be able to use
> it, depriving its users from that better FS.
> If it was released under a free-er license, they would be able to use it.
Isn't that the classical setting for the LGPL? As you pointed out, for
something low lewel as a file system the GPL is very restrictive since
there is not much _use_ that would not imply linking as well (what is
a stand-alone file system anyway?). So, one would imagine that one
uses LGPL instead which covers that case nicely. In your example
Apple would only have to publish their changes to the sources of the
file system. I don't see why Apple should have a problem with that.
> As a side point, does anyone know of a license that says that "if you use my
> code, you must release the changes to my code back, but can do whatever you
> want to do with you code" ?
That's pretty much GPL for stand-alone applications and LGPL for code
that is used as library or as a filter and such.
Again, I don't want to advocate the (L)GPL as the cure for all
diseases, but right now I do not see any alternative that works
better. Looking at the past, the (L)GPL worked extremely well, both in
terms of advances in the development and in terms of contributing back
to the community. My main point is: use the (L)GPL because it works
(until we find something that works even better).
Best regards
Tuomo Takkula
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Chalmers University of Technology
Computing Science
Eklandagatan 86
S-41296 Göteborg, Sweden
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+46-31-165 655 fax
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"Microsoft OS's are good because they encourage Intel to produce
faster CPUs for the rest of us to run Unix on."
George Dau
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 15:08:33 GMT
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:57:11 +0100, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Opera seems to show a blank rectangle for streaming media,
That's to make the Linux users feel at home when they make the
transition from using their text based browsers to a gui one.
>and as for
>handling of cookies, what's with the most complex dialog box for
>accepting/rejecting them?
Choice Pete.
It's all about choice and you get plenty of choice's with them there
cookies.
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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