Linux-Advocacy Digest #987, Volume #25 Thu, 6 Apr 00 20:13:27 EDT
Contents:
Re: BOOKS ON LINUX ? (Johannes Nix)
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty (Julie Brandon)
Re: Penfield Jackson bitch-slaps Bill Gates (Jim Lewis)
Re: Need help on compiling Linux stats ("Tom Steinberg")
Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty (Craig Kelley)
Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty ("Tim Haynes")
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows (Craig Kelley)
Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (abraxas)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Review: Corel Office 2000 (Craig Kelley)
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS supporters.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sorry Microsoft, Facts Mean More Than Money On The Net (was: benchmark for speed
in linux / windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: BEOS 5 the new star in OS's (abraxas)
Re: Win2000 kicks ass ("Kirk Hawley")
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From: Johannes Nix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: BOOKS ON LINUX ?
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:33:54 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve) writes:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:09:37 +0200, Luca Marchese wrote:
> >ALL THE BOOKS ON LINUX IN THE WORLD ARE HERE
> >
> >SCIENTIFIC PUBLISHERS GUIDE
> >
>
> Are they all written in block capitals?
>
Muahahaha!
I think that the problem with books about Linux is that the subject is
changing far to fast for most books being useful for more than one or
two years. At least newbies should read first the users' guide and
then most howtos and then they should ask around to borrow some really
good books which will last for twenty years or more. They are
recommended in various reading lists which are floating around.
But from someone who doesn't respect the basic rules for the usenet I
wouldn't even dream to expect that he has grasped enough Unix and
network culture to sell ONE good book about Linux.
Johannes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:41:52 GMT
On 06 Apr 2000 04:22:30 GMT, Damien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:38:21 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
>Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>|
>| The goal should be to make the computer easy to use. People just want to
>| turn it on, and use it to get their work done. Most people don't care how
>| it works. They just want to check email, and cruise the web. They don't
>| want to dwell on how large to make the /var partition.
>
>Redhat automagically chooses your partitions for you if you do a
>Workstation install. Of course you wouldn't even have to do that if
>it came pre-installed.
<sarcasm>
Yeah. It's real hard to put in the install CD, let the computer boot off
the CD, and then simply confirm all the automatically detected settings.
I much prefer the MS way where the machine has to reboot at least 3 times in
the process of the install.
</sarcasm>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Julie Brandon)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty
Date: 6 Apr 2000 13:17:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:04:44 +0100, Paul Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I would generally assume that someone is knowledgeable until
>> I have had evidence that they are ignorant.
>
>I take the opposite view, it saves time.
BOFH perchance? *8-)
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a word of it -- relax, and take it all with a pinch of salt. Any relevance
to real life is purely co-incidental, and is statistically very unlikely.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Lewis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Penfield Jackson bitch-slaps Bill Gates
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:51:49 GMT
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
>8cdbjm$eji$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
><SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>> P.S. I note in passing that the Jan. 2000 issue of PC World,
>> in describing Windows 98 bugs, listed one that would appear
>> if your machine had been running 49.7 days: The machine
>> would freeze up.
>>
>> PC World noted in a rather ascerbic manner that this wasn't
>> much of a _real_ problem: If your machine managed to stay
>> _up_ for 49 days, you should count your lucky stars.
>>
>> POS. . . .
>And a compact cuty car can't haul as much freight as Mack truck. The compact
>car sure do suck.
>Paul 'Z' Ewande
Very, very cute. But then, anyone who would pick a compact car to do
the work of a Mack truck is just asking to look foolish.
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From: "Tom Steinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Need help on compiling Linux stats
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:58:23 +0100
Thanks very much for the help. Unfortunately, the third article you present
costs $3500!
Hardly in the Linux spirit....
Tom
> <URL:http://www.idc.com:8080/Data/Software/content/SW033199PR.htm>
> <URL:http://www.itresearch.com/alfatst4.nsf/unitabs/W21615?openDocument>
> <URL:http://www.itresearch.com/alfatst4.nsf/UNITABS/W21610?OpenDocument>
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Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 06 Apr 2000 10:02:38 -0600
David Damerell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Graham Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In gnu.misc.discuss, David Damerell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>Their increasing support for the MacOS (even though this directly impacts
> >>sales of Windows) says they disagree.
> >Weren't some of the MS applications, eg excel, originally written for
> >the Mac then later ported to Windows? Also, IIRC, MS have been a major
> >supplier of MAC software right from the start.
>
> I can tell the people responding to this don't use Macs; anyone who has
> would know that there's been a great change in Microsoft's attitude in
> terms of software support these last couple of years - yes, there's always
> _been_ a version of Orifice, but now there's one that works - inasmuch as
> it ever does.
And it actually has the Mac look-and-feel; something that Office4
didn't have. Microsoft's IE for Mac is actually quite good as well;
even though it isn't "integrated" with the OS. <g>
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Guilty, 'til proven guilty
Date: 06 Apr 2000 17:17:11 +0100
Reply-To: "Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Julie Brandon) writes:
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:04:44 +0100, Paul Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
> >Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I would generally assume that someone is knowledgeable until
> >> I have had evidence that they are ignorant.
> >
> >I take the opposite view, it saves time.
>
> BOFH perchance? *8-)
Can't be. Doesn't a BOFH *know* everyone is ignorant, regardless? ;)
~Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:17:35 GMT
And takes a degree in Emacs speak to run.
No thanks.
Steve
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:35:33 GMT, Johan Kullstam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> Example:
>> Slrn. Does News, sort of. You need SlrnPull or Suck (great
>> name) or LeafNode to pull to local NNTP.
>> Doesn't do mail..Another program.
>> No spell...Another program...
>
>example:
>
>gnus/emacs
>
>* does news *and* mail.
>* has offline agent mode.
>* works in linux and windows.
>* handles attachments.
>* good text editor already built-in.
>
>now i don't know about you, but every windows mail tool seems to come
>with the *worst* text editor. i mean lamer than notepad. plus, there
>is no escaping it and chosing your own editor.
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Subject: Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 06 Apr 2000 10:17:54 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Yawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...
>
> More Linux lies....
>
>
> Locate uses an indexed database. Find under Win does not, to the best
> of my knowledge.
Yes, but if you're searching *by name* then locate is the tool to
use. UNIX 'find' gets a lot more information than just the name:
o whether or not the file is a block device
o whether or not the file is a character device
o whether or not the file is a directory
o whether or not the file is a named pipe
o whether or not the file is regular
o whether or not the file is a symbolic link
o whether or not the file is a socket
o the owner of the file
o the group who owns the file (ACLs, if the fs supports them)
o the size of the file
o the last time it was accessed/modified/status changed
o whether or not the file is empty
o what filesystem (logical partition) the file is on
o how many hard links the file has
o can perform regular expressions on names
In addition, find can perform an arbitrary command based on any of the
above. You want to check all files owned by bob and accessed in the
last 2 dyas for viruses? No problem. You want to erase any suid
programs on the home partition? No problem.
If you want to search by name, then use slocate.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:20:59 GMT
No they are not cached Mark, this is from a cold boot. The only thing
I am not certain of is whether or not standard Win find does any type
of indexing.
Subsequent searches of the same filname take 1/2 the time (approx) and
the drive barely gets hit so in that case yes the data is cached.
Not the first time I do it though, unless find does it by default
somehow at boot time.
Steve
On 6 Apr 2000 01:40:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Pick a file jedi. Any file jedi. It can be on drive C: or it can be on
>>drive p:
>>It can be an existing file, or one that does not exist. The results
>>are always the same.
>>
>>Linux painfully churns away the ONE drive it has to search and Windows
>>finds the file, any file much much faster.
>>
>>Steve
>
>Probably because all the directories are already cached
>in memory on Steve's machine.
>
>If he's even telling the truth at all.
>
>>On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:41:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 5 Apr 2000 00:04:15 GMT, David Steinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>: >>Try finding /etc/ppp/options using find from the root directory and
>>>>: >>see how long it takes.
>>>>
>>>>: > It takes less than a second on my box, even using find.
>>>>
>>>>: I find that extremely difficult to believe.
>>>>
>>>>That's because you're an idiot, Steve.
>>>
>>> I bet it was just a bad example and Steve was just talking
>>> out his ass again. In his ignorance, he chose an example
>>> that would be returned relatively quickly.
>>>
>>>[deletia]
>>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:21:32 GMT
Ooops you are correct :)
Steve
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:29:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:42:33 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
>>Yea and you're FOS when you say it takes 2 seconds to find
>>/etc/pp/options scanning the entire drive.
> ^^^ should be ppp
>
>
>>Try this:
>>
>>cd /
>>cd ..
>
>you can't go "up" from /
>/ is as high as you can get.
>
>>
>>Now do a find -name and tell me it takes 2 seconds.
>
>depends on the hardware really.
>
>>Is that 2 seconds measured by your time program or 2 seconds to
>>actually post the location on the screen?
>>
>>In any case you are FOS unless your entire hard disk is cached, which
>>is highly unlikely since Linvocates tend to prefer antique hardware.
>>
>>Although now that I think of it maybe your Seagate 225, at 20megs or
>>so IS cached......
> ^^^^^^ should be an elipsis, three dots, thus ...
>
>>Wouldn't surprise me to see Linvocates running one at all.
>>
>>Stop the lies and the changing of the focus to my typo's and be a good
> ^^^ should be
> plural, not possesive
>>boy and tell the truth.
>
>>
>>Two seconds?
>>Right.....
> ^^^ again, elipsis
>
>
>>You can scan an entire drive under Linux, and that part is important,
>>in 2 seconds and produce an output on the screen showing the locations
>>of the file....
>>
>>Not reading some piped log 5 minutes later....
>>
>>Sure we believe you.......
>>Really we do......
>>
>>Idiot..
>>
>
>
>I am beginning to believe that you may not even know what an elipsis is.
>(hey, I wanted to join the flame-fest, it was fun, sort of...)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: benchmark for speed in linux / windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:22:37 GMT
I was just trying to ensure that the other person was indeed searching
the entire file system from the top down and just not from his home
directory down.
Steve
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 04:01:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote on Wed, 05 Apr 2000 06:42:20 -0400 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> Yea and you're FOS when you say it takes 2 seconds to find
>>> /etc/pp/options scanning the entire drive.
>>>
>>> Try this:
>>>
>>> cd /
>>> cd ..
>>>
>>
>>And what does that cd .. do???
>
>As a point of pedantry, since / is the root of the entire
>Unix hierarchy, .. effectively points to the same directory
>as ., or, if you prefer,
>
>.. = . = /
>
>which means that 'cd ..' will never fail, if one is in a valid
>directory. :-) It also is a no-op when done from '/'.
>
>On at least one other system -- Apollo Domain AEGIS -- there was a //,
>a "canned root" which, when listed, showed all nodes on a network.
>But not on pure Unix, or Linux.
>
>(Side note: I'm not sure 'dir \\' works on NT. Ideally, it would. :-) )
>
>[rest snipped]
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:22:00 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> And takes a degree in Emacs speak to run.
>
> No thanks.
>
> Steve
To get your degree, you have to write a thesis using Emacs.
They don't read the content, because it doesn't matter, they
just want to see if you were able to use emacs to write anything
and format it properly.
Unfortunately, that's where most people drop out.
One of the requirements is that you can only have 3 ^H's
per paragraph.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Date: 6 Apr 2000 16:26:11 GMT
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when abraxas would say:
>>Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> In article <8ceei3$7d0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Python (and most ive discussed this with agree) is a controversial
>>>> beast. It seems to be a scripting language that acts just like a
>>>> programming language. And thats if you DONT embedd C.
>>
>>> Python *is* a programming language. It belongs to the major class of
>>> programming languages known as "scripting languages".
>>
>>Scripting languages are not programming languages.
> I periodically hear this claim; I see enough production systems deployed
> using "scripting" languages that I have to call this utter nonsense.
The difference between scripting language and programming language has
exactly zero to do with the scale or impressiveness of systems deployed
using either.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:28:29 GMT
That didn't come across the way I meant it to be.
What I meant was I would never interfere with someone else's right to
choose what OS they want.
I apologize for that mistake.
Steve
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:01:18 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] from alt.destroy.microsoft; Wed, 05 Apr
>2000 23:44:30 GMT
>>I don't care if you have choice. [...]
>
>Need we hear more?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:29:32 GMT
And virtually unknown in the home Windows market.
Only place I ever see them (PS printers that is) is a network printers
in an office.
Steve
On 6 Apr 2000 14:29:52 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry
Porter) wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:44:30 GMT,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I don't care if you have choice.
>>
>>I have plenty of choice. I can walk into CompUSA and pick up just
>>about any piece of hardware or software and it will work. Under
>>Windows/Mac that is.
>Like a nice PS printer for the MAC ???
>
>You keep on ranting about Linux and PS printers "Heather/Steve/Amy/Keys88"
>do you know they're a *standard* with the Mac ???
>
>Now take your nice PS MAC printer and try it with Windows ?
>
>>
>>Linux need not apply.....
>Linux doesnt apply, your talking commercial, proprietary and $$$$$$.
>
>Linux is FREE :)))
>
>Kind Regards
>Terry
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Review: Corel Office 2000
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 06 Apr 2000 10:27:58 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg) writes:
[snip]
> If it ever becomes reasonably stable, and if such ridiculous features can
> be disabled, I'll give it another look. For now, there's no way I'd spend
> $150 on that.
I really don't use "productivity" <snicker> apps that much anyway. I
just bought it to support Corel.
Their first offering of a Linux distribution is *okay*, which is a lot
better than other distributions have fared on their initial attempt.
Their office suite is pretty bad right now, but they are pioneering
the tools which are needed to port Windows applications to native
Linux applications (without needing a new toolkit like Qt or
Wxwindows).
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:31:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'll help you along, KRN DOES do offline reading but IMHO it is
> unstable but the interface is a nice one.
In fact, 0.6.11 has a better interface than the KRN that came with
your distribution, it does offline better, and it is pretty stable,
not to mention way faster.
If/when I get to release 0.7.0, it should be a pretty cool program[1],
but of course, it will be unstable again ;-)
Feel free to get 0.6.11 from http://krn.sourceforge.net
[1] Expected feature set: multithreading, docked windows (your choice
of MDI/SDI interface, or a mix of them), email reading support (kindof)
much better multiserver support, with load balancing between them, a
chance to use deja.com as a news server (in part), better UI for
the scoring, and so on. It's pretty much finished, but I'm moving
to another city, and that kinda takes a lot of time :-)
--
Roberto Alsina (KRN author, MFCH)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The Failure of Microsoft Propaganda -was- So where are the MS
supporters.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:44:22 GMT
On 6 Apr 2000 05:02:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree) wrote:
>>Who wants to go and edit .slrnrc everytime a change is needed. I can
>>pull messages from any newsgroup I want on a custumized basis, and
>>change it on the fly, and read one group while the other do there
>>thing, all without editing one single file.
>>And I can put them all back to defaults the next time, again without
>>one statement being entered in a file.
>
>This is a contrived argument if ever I heard one. I use, and
>have been using slrn and I have only ever to configure it twice.
>Once, the first time I set it up, and again when I went from
>Slackware 3.6 to 4.0.
And I can take Agent.ini with me and all my defaults will go with it
also.
What I am saying is that each group can have it's own properties, like
slrn, but with Agent I change anyone of these on a group by group
basis any time I want. I can read new messages in one group while the
last 1000 are downloading from a group I might not have looked at in a
while and at the same time I can sample any number of messages in a
new group to see if I would be interested in that group.
Doing the above is a horror story with slrn/leafnode/suck/slrnpull
(for offline reading).
>>Back up 500 messages in a single group because I might have missed
>>something?
>>Easy with 2 clicks of a mouse, all while I am reading the other groups
>>which I have changed properties on just for this session, all on the
>>fly.
>
>How often do you do that? This is yet-another-contrived-example.
So it's contrived when I point out a useful aspect of Agent but when
some other poster shows all kinds of nutty things GNU's can do, things
that 1/999 of the normal population will never do it's called
"powerful".
>[Blind hatred, and mindless FUD snipped]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sorry Microsoft, Facts Mean More Than Money On The Net (was: benchmark
for speed in linux / windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:47:30 GMT
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:17:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
wrote:
>I need to find the last executable file writen or modified by a particular
>user, after a particular date, how do I do this with windows find?
Ask him where he stored it.
It will probably take less time than typing in the command needed to
do it without syntax errors.
>>>>
>>>>Linux speaks for itself. I gave away 2 Linux CD's today. The suckers
>>>>begged me for copies and I was more than happy to oblige.
>>>>Just one look at Linux and they'll be back to Windows in a flash.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If linux speaks for itself as you say, then why are you here?
>>
>>Pure entertainment. Nothing more. Nothing less.
>>It beats the hell out of Jerry Springer :)
>>
>
>
>I wish someone would... :)
Me too :)
>
>>>If linux sucks so much, why have you bought (by your claim) over
>>>50 cd's? Even if you are ftp'ing and burning your own, that's a lot
>>>of effort for an OS you hate so much...
>>
>>This is over a year or so. I get a lot of my CD's for free.
>>
>
>then you paid for the rest? why?
When you buy in bulk it's hard to tell the free ones from the ones you
buy.
>>
>>>>Linux supporters and Facts are an oxymoron.
>>>
>>>Methinks you need to look up the word in a dictionary.
>>
>>Read some of jedi's comments lately?
>
>
>Jedi is _one_ linux supporter, or should I assume that no windows supporter
>knows what su can do based on one windows supporter?
> Maybe we can judge all windows supporters on the basis of Boris?
Fair enough.
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Date: 6 Apr 2000 16:49:03 GMT
Both Chad Myers and Steve-Heather-etc. are famous
for repeating the same lies about Linux over and over
again, hundreds of times, in thousands of propaganda
posts on behalf of Microsoft.
In this case, if one has to edit a text file in Linux,
there are plenty of very simple text editors that can
be used instead of emacs (which is very powerful, but
takes a little time to learn).
In article <8cidj4$hl4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> And takes a degree in Emacs speak to run.
>>
>> No thanks.
>>
>> Steve
>
>To get your degree, you have to write a thesis using Emacs.
>
>They don't read the content, because it doesn't matter, they
>just want to see if you were able to use emacs to write anything
>and format it properly.
>
>Unfortunately, that's where most people drop out.
>
>One of the requirements is that you can only have 3 ^H's
>per paragraph.
>
>-Chad
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: BEOS 5 the new star in OS's
Date: 6 Apr 2000 16:53:49 GMT
Shadow Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I still find it amusing the same reason I stopped using BeOS 4.5.2 and
> they haven't it yet fixed it in 5.0. I don't know if it's this system
> or their OS. I'm leaning more towards their OS since any version of
> Windows and Linux run fine on this system. When booting up it goes to
> that nice little drive icon and hangs there and I have no choice but
> to cold powercycle the machine. There was workaround for this but then
> the problem was that it wouldn't read my cd-rom. Until they fix these
> problems BeOS can curl up and die for all I care. Linux and Windows
> are much more ahead of the time. Plus I don't like a Macintosh style
> Interface in the first place. This is why I run a PC.
>From what youve written, it is very easy to tell that you wouldnt know
the benefits of BeOS if they were sucking on your penis.
=====yttrx
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From: "Kirk Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2000 kicks ass
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:57:22 -0700
>
>>It'll never happen. Windows has to reboot if you so much as change an IP
>>address or install any software.
>
>My understanding is that that's been fixed in Win2K. In fact,
>it's not strictly true for Windows NT 4, either -- our IT guru
>can release an IP and acquire a new IP using 'NET' commands
>without rebooting the system easily. (Of course, do I remember
>how to do it? Nope...and I didn't bother to take notes. Aargh!
>Also, I don't know if this is true for static IPs.)
ipconfig /release
change yer address
ipconfig /renew
But the sysadmin I worked with two weeks ago didn't know that,
he was rebooting every time he changed IP address.
-Kirk
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