Linux-Advocacy Digest #987, Volume #30 Wed, 20 Dec 00 09:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows Stability ("Nik Simpson")
Re: is this related to nfs? (Nick Ruisi)
Bracy = Chad Myers? (Donn Miller)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Marc Richter)
Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action (Marc Richter)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED.... (John Sanders)
Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451894 (Sandman)
Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("David Casey")
Re: Uptimes (The Ghost In The Machine)
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows Stability
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:57:49 -0500
"Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:91laut$1t0s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The lively uptimes discussion going on in another thread brought up a few
> questions for me that are best to be in another thread. So here goes.
>
> I kept hearing Windows sys admins tell me that a properly setup server
with
> Windows is as stable as any Unix server. Okay, for sake of argument,
I'll
> accept that. So the real question is, what constitutes a "properly setup"
> Windows server? Clearly, it isn't that way when installed just out of the
> box. If that were there wouldn't be all of the problems that so many
> complain about. I've never been able to install it out of the box and
have
> it be as stable as Unix. So I must be missing something. What is it?
There are a lot of factors. First on the list is to use a quality hardware
vendor. The number of times I've seen people complain about stability then
when you inquire it turns out they are running some hacked up PoS with parts
picked up from the bargain basement parts bin.
Next, don't go loading any old piece of software, just the applications you
need for the task at hand. Above all, don't go looking for the
driver-de-jour and loading it just because its available, this is
particularly true with Graphics drivers. In a serious NT environment you
have a system that you can use to test out new drivers, service packs etc
and don't install on production machines until you are satisfied that they
are not going to hose things up.
Third put it into a machine room environment with protected power adequate
cooling etc. All the sort of amenties you expect for proper IT environment.
--
Nik Simpson
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From: Nick Ruisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: is this related to nfs?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:54:35 -0500
Yes, you will want to make an NFS export of the directory that you wish
to share between machines (use linuxconf). Then you will want to create
a mount point on the system that you will be accessing it from. Lets say
that dir is called /usr/foo on a machine called somemachine.yourdomain
and the mount point you created is /mnt/bar. You will want to add the
following line to /etc/fstab:
somemachine.yourdomain:/usr/foo /mnt/bar nfs defaults 0 0
Hope this helps.
ID wrote:
>
> hello,
>
> i have a web-server on a rh7-linux
> and i have a samba-fileserver also a rh7-linux
> they are on different machine, i want to allow the files
> on fileserver to be served through webserver
>
> i appreciate if anyone can tell me how to do..
>
> thank you all.
> ismet
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bracy = Chad Myers?
Date: 20 Dec 2000 06:24:52 -0600
I think they are the same person.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:40:58 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> YOU ARROGANT FUCKING ASSHOLE!
Merry Christmas to you, too!
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:43:51 GMT
dvick wrote:
>
> "taking a turn at the government teat"???
> Isn't that just an insulting way of saying the government pays for the
> armed forces? Where else do you expect the military to get funding
> but from the government? Bakes sales? Charging money for HMMWV
> rides?
Why not? That's how our schools end up raising money for frills like
desks and blackboards.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc Richter)
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:25:58 -0500
On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:12:46 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> <snype>
>>
>>
>> > ie: So how many people do YOU know running StarOffice? I'll even let
>> > you include the Windows version in your tally.
>> I use StarOffice for Linux on regular basis, and what the fuck is wrong
>> with it? nothing. Compare that to Microsoft's mega-mega-mega-mega-mega
>> bloated office suite that provides millions of features, but the average
>> joe/jane business/home user, if lucky, use 0.01% of the features. 200MB
>> vs. Microsofts mega-mega-mega-mega-mega bloated pro version taking up
>> 760MB (on a Win 98 Machine). I know which one I'd pick, and it an't
>> MSOffice.
>
>The only complaint I have with StarOffice is the amount of time it takes to
>load. Once its' up though, its' great.
>
>
>--
>Tom Wilson
>Registered Linux User #194021
>http://counter.li.org
>
>
Yeah...it takes a while to load.
On the other hand, I launched it about 2 weeks ago on this laptop and
it's still running. That's with multiple suspends a day and all that
other grooviness. Using Sawfish, I keep it, jpilot and Pine in one
workspace (my "work" workspace, I guess you would say, as opposed
to my MP3 workspace or web surfing/Usenet workspace)
The on-screen display of fonts is a bit off, but:
1. I haven't spent any time whatsoever trying to address it
2. I don't use it to create documents, just to deal with Office docs and
3. The printed copy is beautiful...better than Windows for the exact
same document. Decent Postscript support is a wonderful thing.
My site is converting to Look-Out! 2000 for email in about a month.
Think I'll stick with Pine :-)
--
Marc A. Richter I&R Deployed Support
The contents of this message express only the sender's opinion.
This message does not necessarily reflect the policy or views of
my employer, Merck & Co., Inc. All responsibility for the statements
made in this Usenet posting resides solely and completely with the
sender.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc Richter)
Subject: Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:18:20 -0500
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:09:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Where is your sense of whimsy? Perhaps we need casual day to apply to
>> more than just cloths. My personal favorite is "Microshit Lookout." It
>> is just so truthful on so many levels.
>>
>> One should appreciate the range between Shakespeare and Benny Hill. Like
>> a bad joke, the key is either scarcity or subtlety.
>>
>> Get over it and have some fun.
>
>Back in my VMS days we used to lovingly refer to Digital's "All-in-One"
>office suite as "All-or-Nothing" for obvious reasons. Even our DEC
>support techs appreciated the humour of it. I don't expect this
>behaviour will ever change. Comic relief is good for the soul.
>
Some of my current faves:
Comcrap
Stinkpad
Crapintosh
Crapple
detect a theme? :-)
(my company uses Compaq, IBM and Apple hardware, for those who are
scratching their heads)
I actually really like the Thinkpads; nice machines when they are running
smoothly, but they get quirky enough when they break that they've earned
the title.
In fact, I'm writing this on my Thinkpad 600E running Slackware 7.1 ---
or, as I call it, the "Slackpad"
>
>Sent via Deja.com
>http://www.deja.com/
--
Marc A. Richter I&R Deployed Support
The contents of this message express only the sender's opinion.
This message does not necessarily reflect the policy or views of
my employer, Merck & Co., Inc. All responsibility for the statements
made in this Usenet posting resides solely and completely with the
sender.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:12:42 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:40:54 GMT
<aRO%5.20459$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, to sum up:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] Nothing is intuitive.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to consult a manual for everything???
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Intuitive" doesn't mean "not needing to consult a manual".
>
>>>>>>>>>>> You have a better definition that is simple to understand?
>
>>>>>>>>>> How about the one in the manual? Erm, I mean, dictionary? :-)
>
>>>>>>>>> Apparently the definition wasn't intuitive to you.
>
>>>>>>>> It wasn't supposed to be. The definition of a word -- in this
>>>>>>>> case, 'intuitive' -- breaks down the word, in a sense, into
>>>>>>>> a series of more easily digested concepts, or perhaps different
>>>>>>>> concepts. Occasionally, a dictionary gets into loops (I remember
>>>>>>>> one dictionary that defined 'nipple' as a 'teat', and a 'teat' as a
>>>>>>>> 'nipple'; obviously, that gets nowhere fast -- of course, that
>>>>>>>> particular dictionary was designed to fit into one's pocket; one
>>>>>>>> can only do so much :-) ). Dictionaries also have slight problems
>>>>>>>> with very general concepts: "go", "be", "have", "put".
>
>>>>>>> But the fact that you needed to consult a dictionary meant that the
>>>>>>> definition of "intuitive" wasn't intuitive.
>
>>>>>> Correct.
>
>>>>> Glad you agree.
>
>>>>>>>> I understand the definition of "intuitive", based on my earlier
>>>>>>>> learning and experience. It needn't be intuitive -- just
>>>>>>>> understandable; that's all an interface needs to be, in order
>>>>>>>> to be useful.
>
>>>>>>> Irrelevant to the present discussion.
>
>>>>>>>> (The original question, IIRC, was whether a power switch
>>>>>>>> was intuitive.
>
>>>>>>> Actually, the discussion goes back farther than that. The
>>>>>>> power switch example came after Aaron declared nothing about
>>>>>>> a computer is intuitive. That declaration came after my remark
>>>>>>> that the use of hjkl for cursor movement is not intuitive.
>
>>>>>> Both are correct. Nothing about a computer is intuitive,
>
>>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch. Or did you need to consult a
>>>>> manual to determine how to operate it?
>
>>>> Have it your way;
>
>>> This isn't Burger King.
>
>> Feh.
>
>Ambiguous.
Oh, you're a pedantic one. Would you prefer a response such as:
"I find the above response rather silly and beside the point"? :-)
>
>>>> a power switch is indeed intuitive in that:
>>>>
>>>> - it's a natural action to push it
>>>> - the effects are immediately noticeable
>>>> - it is prominently placed in most instances.
>
>>> Is that all you can think of?
>
>> - It's been in use for decades.
>> - They are manufacturered in the millions.
>> - They're cheap.
>
>How do those make a power switch intuitive?
They make it widely available and well-known, perhaps. That's close
enough to "intuitive" -- one learns by doing, and the more things
one sees, the more likely one will do the same thing when one
sees something similar again -- to be useful.
>
>> I'm not sure what you're looking for, admittedly...did you have something
>> specific in mind?
>
>Yes, I did, and still do.
Thank you. Mind sharing it with the rest of us?
Oh, wait, it's above, never mind. I'll just have to look for it.
>
>>>>>> and hjkl for cursor movement is not intuitive. (Just extremely useful.)
>
>>>>> Not necessarily useful.
>
>>>> To me, it's useful. To you (and most others), the arrow keys may in fact
>>>> be far more intuitive.
>>>>
>>>> This is not a problem.
>
>>> Irrelevant, given that it wasn't described as a problem.
>
>> Obviously, it is a problem.
>
> "This is not a problem."
> --Ghost
>
>Do make up your mind.
>
>> The problem is: how to most efficiently and/or intuitively move the cursor
>> around in a document under construction.
>>
>> This is a problem. It's been solved multiple times, of course.
>
> "This is not a problem."
> --Ghost
>
>Do make up your mind.
If you prefer, I can call it a solved problem, at least in my mind.
Other minds may be of other minds about the issue. :-)
>
>>>>>>>> One might remark "everyone knows what a power switch is" (and most
>>>>>>>> do, by prior learning); hence, a power switch, being well-known,
>>>>>>>> is something an interface designer can leverage for new designs
>>>>>>>> of power switches -- and possibly other things. This makes the
>>>>>>>> design useful.)
>
>>>>>>> And perhaps even intuitive.
>
>>>>>> Not by the dictionary definition. Of course, YMMV.
>
>>>>> Whose dictionary, yours?
>
>>>> Yes, mine.
>
>>> And what dictionary do you have?
>
>> The one in my head. Not horribly useful for you, admittedly,
>> but it works for me. :-)
>
>Makes sure you get the desired answer every time.
Yes, although proving it to another person may be slightly difficult.
>
>> I can also reference other dictionaries (www.dictionary.com is
>> probably the simplest to remember). Which one is the most
>> relevant and/or useful depends on the user.
>
>Plase do.
I already did, above. Somebody -- probably me -- snipped it.
If you wish, I can provide it again, or simply point you to the
URL of the definition:
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=intuitive&db=*
for your reading pleasure.
>
>>>>>>>>> How were those definitions better and simpler to understand?
>
>>>>>>>> Better and simpler to understand than what?
>
>>>>>>> Than the one I gave.
>
>>>>>>>> Pressing a button?
>
>>>>>>> Forget the definition I suggested already?
>
>>>>>> Yes. It has been "scrolled off" this news post and my newsreader (SLRN)
>>>>>> can't view messages by reference ID, unlike Netscape.
>
>>>>> No, it hasn't scrolled off, given that it has been retained in your
>>>>> follow-up.
>
>>>> Oh, OK. I guess that's my official definition of "intuitive", then.
>>>> I hadn't realized that.
>
>>> Non sequitur, given that we were talking about *my* "definition", which
>>> you had erroneously assumed to have "scrolled off".
>
>> Where is it in the above post, then?
>
>Right after the first item in your summary.
>
>> Or you can give me a message-ID for scanning purposes.
>
>Unnecessary.
>
>> I think I snipped it.
>
>What you think is irrelevant. However, if you had, it would be your
>problem.
>
>> [snip]
>
>Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it.
Exactly. That's why we must all switch to BRIEF.
Spot the Flaw.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- who happens to like VI
up 85 days, 19:21, running Linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:15:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Joe Malloy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 GMT
<E9Q%5.1309$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Tholen tholes and thereby pontificate:
>
>> > Ah, I see. So we're supposed to do what in these forums
>(fora?), again?
>>
>> Come to conclusions using a little logic.
>
>Spoken by the god of uselessnet, Tholen!
No no. Tholen is extremely logical. Pedantic, argumentative,
nitpicky, but quite logical. He will also catch you in
contradictions -- he's already caught me in one. This from
my admittedly very short (maybe a week at most) engagement
with him in debate.
(As an example -- we are quibbling about whether a power
switch is intuitive in another thread.)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
up 85 days, 19:30, running Linux.
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From: John Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED....
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:50:05 -0600
Tim Smith wrote:
>
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:03:57 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Logitech decided to add one. MS also had the new optical mouse first,
> >Logitech licensed the technology about 6 months later again (as did Apple).
>
> And as did Microsoft...the new optical mouse was developed by HP. I
> believe that is mentioned on one of Microsoft's descriptions of it on
> their web site.
>
> --Tim Smith
I don't know who was first with it, but I was using an optical mouse on
Sun box in 1988. You're making all this up, Smith.
--
John W. Sanders
===============
"there" in or at a place.
"their" of or relating to them.
"they're" contraction of 'they are'.
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From: Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451894
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:24:21 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Soltysiak
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And why are people bothering with this fool?? Ignore him. He's an idiot.
Aaron Kulkis or Dave Tholen?
Just clarification. :)
--
Sandman[.net]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux!
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:35:11 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Kyle Jacobs
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 20 Dec 2000 04:57:36 GMT
<4%W%5.34786$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> The Linux users need a reality check to see how much they are missing
>> since they last used Windows circa 3.0
>>
>
>This is very true, I see people bashing Windows for problems it's had dating
>back to Windows for Workgroups 3.11 now THAT'S sad; being so angry at a
>computing platform for nearly six years now. Although it's more often that
>I find Linux zealot's complaining that "Windows is the platform of satan"
>because it "crashes so much".
>
>Of course they are refering to Windows 95 and 98's hideous stability
>problems, not Windows NT (after SP3) Windows 2000 or Windows Me.
>They don't realize that OS's change.
What stability problems? I've had windows 95 on my disk for quite
some years now. Of course, I don't boot into it often :-).
>
>Which is the only reason I still use Linux, too see if SOMETHING has
>changed. 5 Years and counting, the result? No.
No, nothing on Linux has changed at all. That's why:
- the latest kernel version is 1.0.9 -- if not earlier -- pay
no attention to them newfangled 2.4.0-testpre10 releases,
it's an attempt by a deranged individual to confuse you.
- KDE? It's but a figment of your imagination.
- Gnome? What gnome? I don't see any gnome...
- WinE can't emulate Windows. It just can't. It can't even
play solitaire (wine -winver win95 /c/windows/sol.exe) or
minesweeper, or NT's "Space Cadet" Pinball, or Wordpad,
or Notepad, or Word, or ...
- GIMP? What GIMP? I don't see any GIMP...oh, maybe he's
with the gnome....
- Those reports that Unreal Tournament has a driver for Linux
are just your imagination. For that matter, the reports that
Unreal has a driver for Windows are just your imagination.
- Those Sparcs, G4s, Alphas, Amigas, Ataris, etc. running various
versions of Linux couldn't possibly exist.
- Network installs? What an imagination you have! I'm still
doing it the old fashioned way, with 30 floppies and
a very tired elbow. SLS! SLS! Do it with a bang-up dress!
SLS! SLS! Not too tart with watercress! Yay team!
- The rumors of Quake III's existence on Linux -- as well as
Quake I's existence on Windows -- are highly exaggerated.
:-) :-) :-)
(Pedant point: Linux first came out in 1991 or 1992. That's
8 years, and counting.)
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up 85 days, 19:37, running Linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:40:01 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Kyle Jacobs
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:48:52 GMT
<8LX%5.35324$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Microsoft has succeeded Windows 98 with Windows 98 SE and Windows Me.
>
>Windows Me does not have this problem.
Microsoft has certainly succeeded, all right. At what, I'm
not quite sure... :-)
(I don't have USB, admittedly. My new machine -- if and when I
get one -- probably will have it, though; one hopes it's useful.)
>
>"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:91mbtg$3qt$04$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > >
>> > > > > > The USB layer under Linux doesn't support full soft-enumeration
>of
>> > the
>> > > > > > devices under the BUS in perputiaty. WHICH IS THE POINT OF USB!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What the heck are you trying to say?!
>> > > >
>> > > > TRANSLATION: You plug it in, and poof, it works, PERIOD.
>> > >
>> > > That doesn't happen in Windows, either.
>> >
>> > Really? I plug a USB device in, Windows detects it, asks me to wait
>while
>> > it gather info about the device, install drivers if it has ones, ask for
>> > drivers if it doesn't.
>> > And that is *all*.
>> > Next time that I'll plug the device, the driver will be loaded
>> > automatically and I'll be able to use device I plugged in immediately.
>> >
>> > How is it working on Linux? I never used USB on Linux.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Exactly like on Windows, that means NOT AT ALL.
>> Just try to install on Windows98 some of those shitty USB to Ethernet
>> (Network????) Connectors, and you will know what i mean
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:25:57 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> dvick wrote:
> >
> > "taking a turn at the government teat"???
> > Isn't that just an insulting way of saying the government pays for the
> > armed forces? Where else do you expect the military to get funding
> > but from the government? Bakes sales? Charging money for HMMWV
> > rides?
>
> Why not? That's how our schools end up raising money for frills like
> desks and blackboards.
But... you wouldn't have schools, or desks, or blackboards if it weren't
for the military protecting us.
I really wish I knew what it was about you liberals that you never seem
to understand what role the military has in our freedom. You're so used
to everything coming free from the government, you just assume that
freedom is free and abundant.
-Chad
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From: "David Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:47:26 -0500
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "taking a turn at the government teat"???
> > Isn't that just an insulting way of saying the government pays for the
> > armed forces? Where else do you expect the military to get funding
> > but from the government? Bakes sales? Charging money for HMMWV
> > rides?
>
> Why not? That's how our schools end up raising money for frills like
> desks and blackboards.
And of course, you're hard at work to fix that problem, right?
Dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:54:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ayende Rahien
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:39:38 +0200
<91jmoa$kaa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Charlie Ebert
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:08:01 GMT
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:15:05 -0700,
>> >Adam Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>I just came up with a potential solution:
>> >>
>> >>I rebooted my web server (running Linux and Apache) on Monday.
>> >>I just went and checked it with Netcraft. Lo and behold! They
>> >>recorded my reboot correctly!
>> >>(http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=&site=www.intercation.com) I
>> >>propose a more thorough test.
>> >>
>> >>Everyone who reads this, go to Netcraft and query my server
>> >>www.intercation.com. This will keep them checking my uptime.
>> >>I will reboot the machine at 5 pm Mountain Time this Tuesday
>> >>12/12/00. We'll see if they figure it out.
>> >>
>> >>Then, after that, we need to do a test with IIS on Windows. I don't
>> >>currently have access to a machine that I can test and reboot, does
>> >>anyone else? I'll see if I can round one up. If anyone has access
>> >>to one post it on here and we can perform the same test.
>> >>
>> >>Adam Ruth
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >The Netcraft number are valid. Windows has the lowest uptime of
>> >them all.
>> >
>> >Linux is the highest of them all.
>>
>> [1] As another poster already pointed out, Irix beats Linux.
>> [2] Because of a bug in NT which precludes them reporting an uptime
>> of more than 49.7 days, as opposed to Linux's limitation of
>> 497 days, it's far from clear that NT has bad uptimes. Of course,
>> that doesn't mean NT has good uptimes, either.
>
>It's not a bug, it's simply different way to count uptime.
>NT count it 1/100 second, *nix count in 10/100 second
I think you mean 1/1000 and 1/100, respectively; this leads to
NT being able to report a maximum uptime of 49.7 days or so
(= 4294967.295, or (2^32-1)/1000 seconds). After that,
the timer rolls over. At least, that's my understanding.
Linux can report a maximum uptime of 497 days or so. After
that, *its* timer rolls over. (Does anyone have a Linux box that
has been up more than 497 days? I'm curious now; maybe it's
time to go source-code digging....:-) )
>
>> [3] There are other metrics to measure the "height" of an operating
>> system; uptime is but one of them. Others include:
>>
>> - interrupt latency
>> - context switching time
>> - total cost of ownership
>> - network, I/O, or serial throughput
>> - number of outstanding bugs, defects, or issues (Linux may have some
>> minor problems with measurement here; how does one report a bug? :-))
>
>He informs the distributions makers.
>There are plenty of ways to do it.
>bugs@<distribuion> should probably work.
That works for that distribution -- although it depends on the bug.
Other distributions may pick it up as well. If it's a kernel
bugfix, it will probably get wide distribution.
Good point, though. :-) I was more interested, however, in how
one gets at the bugs outstanding. I could see getting the known
ones from RedHat or Mandrake without too much difficulty -- although
I've not tried -- but the decentralized organization of Linux
distributions, if it can even be called such, makes things interesting.
(The kernel probably has its own bug list, maintained by
Linus and that other fellow whose name escapes me, and possibly
a small number of volunteers.)
>
>> - number of users (Windows beats Linux handily here; BFD)
>> - kernel footprint size
>> - kernel+loaded module footprint size
>> - total distribution storage size
>> - number of hardware devices supported, and not supported
>>
>> and, most importantly,
>>
>> - general satisfaction of user number X, who happens to own machine
>> Y, running distribution Z. :-)
>>
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