Linux-Advocacy Digest #41, Volume #26 Sun, 9 Apr 00 06:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: 2000: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine! (Jim Richardson)
Re: 2000: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine! (Jim Richardson)
Re: Stable-only distro? ("Gooba")
Re: A true story about benchmarks (Jim Richardson)
Re: Bobo has "issues" (When in LA)
Re: Rumors ... (Jim Richardson)
Re: These OS debates are simply Hillarious! (Jim Richardson)
Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you? (Jim Richardson)
Re: More change in the wind... (Jeff Hall)
Re: These OS debates are simply Hillarious! (Shadow Hunter)
Re: Bobo has "issues" (Marty)
Re: Linux bugs!!! (david parsons)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: 2000: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 06:21:33 GMT
On 9 Apr 2000 05:50:59 GMT,
Jeremy Crabtree, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Jim Richardson allegedly wrote:
>>On 8 Apr 2000 19:26:27 GMT,
>> Jeremy Crabtree, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>>
>>>Jim Richardson allegedly wrote:
>>>>On 8 Apr 2000 15:40:28 GMT,
>>>> Jeremy Crabtree, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>> brought forth the following words...:
>>>>
>>>>>Leonard F. Agius allegedly wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We must be a rare breed, then. I read my owners manual, and actually bought
>>>>>>the shop manual to the car, as well. I may not do all the work on it myself,
>>>>>>but the more Iknow about my car, the less likely any service shop will try
>>>>>>pull the wool over my eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unfortunately, there isn' a shop manual for my car, otherwise I would have
>>>>>that too.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Check for a Haynes manual, (making a huge assumption here that you are in
>>>>the US.) Haynes manuals are nice because of the way they are set up. They
>>>>really help IMHO.
>>>
>>>I have, and they don't have one for my car. (1996 Geo Metro, their Metro books
>>>only cover through '94)
>>>
>>
>>Ah, you may have to wait a year or two more then.
>> All the cars I had haynes manuals for, were not exactly new...
>
>Yeah...guess it may take more than four years for it to be "old" enough.
>
>(4 years, but 140thousand+ miles...no major engine problems yet,
> just a couple loose belts now and again, and one dead synchromesh (1+2nd))
>
140,000/4yrs? that's a sigma or two outside the mean :)
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: 2000: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 06:24:19 GMT
On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:23:06 +0100,
Tim Jackson, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>This is going a bit off topic, but I can bring it back.
>Haynes car manuals spread beyond the States long ago.
>Here in the UK they are the main source of inspiration for home mechanics.
>In my youth they were considered badly written,
>eg I had one which omitted to mention fitting pistons when building an
>engine!
>However they are much better now.
>A common phrase was "to have been Haynesed",
>ie to have followed instructions blindly and so wound up with something that
>didn't work.
>
>Now which OS does that remind me of???
>
>
>--
>Tim Jackson, UK
>
>
>Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On 8 Apr 2000 15:40:28 GMT,
>> Jeremy Crabtree, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>>
>> >Leonard F. Agius allegedly wrote:
>> >>
>> >>We must be a rare breed, then. I read my owners manual, and actually
>bought
>> >>the shop manual to the car, as well. I may not do all the work on it
>myself,
>> >>but the more Iknow about my car, the less likely any service shop will
>try
>> >>pull the wool over my eyes.
>> >
>> >Unfortunately, there isn' a shop manual for my car, otherwise I would
>have
>> >that too.
>> >
>>
>> Check for a Haynes manual, (making a huge assumption here that you are in
>> the US.) Haynes manuals are nice because of the way they are set up. They
>> really help IMHO.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Richardson
>> Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
>> WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
>> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
>>
>
>
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: "Gooba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stable-only distro?
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 06:32:57 GMT
"Jim Dabell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ken Kinder wrote:
> >
> > In the recent RH: Stable?? thread, an idea came to me. Linux was being
> > blamed because software shipped with Red Hat was unstable (probably
> > gnumaric?). What if there were a distribution that only included stable
> > software? Or, here's an idea... adding to Debian a stable flag, so you
> > can configure dselect and apt to only list stable software.
> >
> > It would be a good way for newbies not to get burned by unstable
> > software. Sure, the version number is telling, but if it came on your
> > distro, most newbies will assume stability.
> >
>
> If it came with the distro, then I'd assume/demand stability, unless it
> was marked as unstable/unsupported, and I'm no newbie. Just because
> Redhat screws up, doesn't mean that other distributions have to change.
> Most already are stable, AFAIK.
>
> Jim
All the same, it sounds like a good idea. Although the potential problem
then becomes, how much of a distro will you have with only stable releases?
I haven't checked to be sure how many, but a good deal of the software in my
Mandrake 7.0 distro wasn't 1.0 yet.
I'd be concerned that someone would pick up the "stable" distro and find
out it wasn't everything they expected, and the apps that are missing
are considered "unstable". (Which of course is relative, the only thing I
have
that routinely crashes, locks up or otherwise misbehaves is XFree 4.0.) This
could potentially discourage them from using Linux if they perceive that all
the apps they want to use are not stable.
Then again, there might be some benefit to releasing an intentionally
unstable
version, including the very latest kernel, drivers, patches, etc. I'm
currently
considering installing XFS or ReiserFS as a result of my problems with
XFree.
I have to reboot and wait for an e2fsck every time I boot it seems, but I
don't
know where to begin converting my system to a whole new filesystem. Having
a distro which installed with this option would make it a bunch easier.
Probably before anyone released such distros, they will want to know about
the commercial viability of such options. If people are buying Linux without
the expectation that every app will always be 100% stable, then they might
not see an advantage. Likewise if they find that most of their customers
aren't
interested in the latest and greatest, they wouldn't try to sell the
unstable version.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: A true story about benchmarks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 06:33:46 GMT
On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 00:36:36 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Because it is an application I use often.
In which case, why not use locate? the 2-3min a day it takes to sync the
index is trivial compared to the speed improvement. Especially since you can
schedule that sync to occur at off-peak times, where it has little or no effect
>
>Steve
>
>
>On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 19:27:59 +0100, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Moral of the story is, the only true benchmark is running the
>>> applications YOU intend to run on a given system.
>>
>>So, why were you slammin Linux for that find `benchmark'?
>>-Ed
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: When in LA
Reply-To: When in LA
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bobo has "issues"
Date: 9 Apr 2000 06:42:26 GMT
On Sun, 9 Apr 3900 05:27:04, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
|Bobo wrote (using a pseudonym again):
|>
|> On Sun, 9 Apr 3900 01:42:19, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
|>
|> |Where's the rest of the post, Bobo?
|
|Note: no response.
|
|PS: Are you ever going to answer that post whose Deja URL I gave you (that
|you requested numerous times and lied about its existence) or have you dropped
|that losing argument also?
|
|> |Bobo wrote (using a pseudonym again):
|> |>
|> |> On Sun, 9 Apr 3900 00:20:43, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
|> |>
|> |> |> |> If I missed a thousand of your moronic replies, I will admit it with a
|> |> |> |> blanket statement Marty.
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> |That's not what I'm asking you to admit. Still having reading comprehension
|> |> |> |problems?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Well I can understand that.
|> |> |
|> |> |Apparently not. You've still failed to address the issues I've raised,
|> |> |repeating history rather than learning from it, as usual. Your lack of
|> |> |conviction of your own words is as obvious as the faleshoods embedded within
|> |> |them.
|> |>
|> |> You have a reading comprehension problem Marty.
|> |
|> |Yet another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, in the typical "monkey-see,
|> |monkey-do" fashion for which Bobo has become known.
|>
|> Right Monkey.
|
|There he goes again. Baseless and parrot-like as usual.
|
|> As if you actually posted the original.
|
|What you fail to realize is that there was reasoning and explanation behind my
|statement - something which most of yours lack.
I know Marty. I can see you now hyuking and scratching your head.
|> What a bonehead, shoots himself in the foot.
|
|Last time I looked my foot was a-ok. Better check your fly though. I think
|you left it opened from the last time you admitted to molesting a small child.
Don't you have anything better to do. My your imagination certainly
spends a lot of time circulating around young children doncha think?
|> |> I said it is understandable that you would think that the question you
|> |> asked was not moronic.
|> |
|> |Liar. You said you can understand that that wasn't what I asked you to admit.
|>
|> Wrong again,
|
|Typical pontification. Any reader reviewing the context can plainly see I am
|correct.
|
|> reading comprehension, they offer classes on the subject
|> in New York Marty,
|
|Non sequitur.
|
|> don't miss out.
|
|I didn't, your pontifcation notwithstanding.
Good glad to hear you signed up. Perhaps we have something to look
forward to.
|> |> One would not expect anything less from a moron.
|> |
|> |Nor would anyone expect fewer baseless erroneous claims coming from a person
|> |who admitted that he molests small children.
|>
|> You are in good company Marty.
|
|On what basis do you claim that company with an admitted child molester is
|"good company"? Of course, I can see why you're a bit biased on the matter,
|being an admitted child molester and all.
It was sarcastic Marty, or do I need to explain sarcastic as well?
BobO
Marty Amodeo says: "If Glatt, Sutherland, yourself, or myself tried
to get someone fired for using a particular word it is a despicable
act."
David Sutherland made the following quotes in posts residing on
Dejanews:
If I posted anything remotely like Tholen's "queer" [Editor: Note
particular word in quotes] comments with my employers name
anywhere within that message, I would be escorted to the door,
and rightly so.[Editor: Note euphemism for firing]
If Tholen doesn't apologise in full, publicly and at great length, I
*will* advise his university, as this kind of bullshit *should* and
*will* be challenged.[Editor: Note threat]
I've asked Kenneth P. Mortimer, President, University of
Hawaii ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for his opinion on how
certain members of the faculty are spending their time.[Editor: Note
admission to personal notification of employer]
Tholen used "queer" [Editor: Note particular word in quotes] as an
insult and a means to attack someone. This is discriminatory. He did
so from his employers account. His employer has a policy against
discrimination. Tholen acted against the policies of his employer.
Tholens employer is now aware of this. [Editor: Note reason for
contacting employer]
Pretty despicable, I have to agree Marty.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Rumors ...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:10:32 GMT
On Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:43:38 -0500,
Erik Funkenbusch, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8cleq0$ra3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > That's exactly what Judge Jackson ruled. Microsoft is a monopoly in the
>> > Intel Desktop PC market, not the Desktop PC market.
>>
>> There are dozens of manufacturers of Intel equipment. There is one
>manufacturer
>> of apple equipment.
>
>Because Apple forced the clone makers out of the market. There used to be
>companies like UMax that made Mac clone hardware.
>
>> I'm not sure that I understand why youre missing the exceedingly obvious
>> here.
>
>You're missing it. There are no longer any Mac clones because Apple forced
>them out of the market. They did this by refusing to sell them ROM and OS
>liscenses.
And that sucked, I had a perfectly good Power Mac clone, running MkLinux
BeOS and MacOS, and when apple killed the clones, I decided my next machine
was going to be intel based. It (the PPC) was a great machine, but why should I
support Apple when they basically blew me off?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: These OS debates are simply Hillarious!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:12:36 GMT
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 21:15:31 -0400,
Shadow Hunter, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>>The message is if your Microsoft, enjoy it whilst it is still around if
>>you like it.
>>It's not going to last another 10 years, so enjoy it while you still
>>can.
>
>
>Have to say that I do agree with you on all these points. MS Shoots
>themselves in the foot for me everytime they release a new version of
>Windows. Windows 2000 is too sloppy and slow, Windows Millenium is
>just Windows 98 with a ton of super patches on it which makes it
>buggier then hell so therefor Millenium is going to suck ass. So now,
>I A.) Either have to upgrade my computer to a P-III 600 with 256 megs
>of RAM so I can run Windows 2000 decently or keep my AMD K6-2 300
>around awhile longer and just run Windows 98 on it and say FUCK
>Microsoft. I choose the latter, I'm getting more comfortable with
>Redhat and I plan on running Linux almost all the time after the
>Windows 2000/Windows Millenium have taken off. Windows 95/98 always
>treated me good and I have had no complaints. The Latest OS endeavors
>by MS are just a bunch of buggy or slow shit that I can't see why
>anyone is going to be willing to upgrade. No wonder Windows 2000 is
>slow even on an AMD K6-2 300 with 128 megs of RAM, 63,000,000 lines of
>code!?!?! What the hell for? Why do we need an OS of this size? I
>think MS Needs to backtrack a bit instead of screwing over their loyal
>users. Unless things change, I am done with MS. (And I don't see this
>happening soon, maybe in Windows 2005?)
>
>Shadow Hunter
>
In addition, it seems that M$ has pulled a lot of the networking functionality
out of Windows ME.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: You anti-Microsoft types just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:17:52 GMT
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 22:28:07 GMT,
JEDIDIAH, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:04:26 -0500, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> Linux is numero uno in returns and nothing is even close.
>>> Makes me wonder how many of those cheapbytes CD's and downloads of
>>> Linux are REALLY being used.
>>
>>Perhaps they will start competing for AOL CDs in terms of numbers unused.
>
> Nah, we have enough of a sense of humor to suggest using such
> unwanted CD's as coasters. I've got some 4 year old Slackware
> discs that serve that function quite adequately.
>
I scratched up my SuSE 6.2 disks b ad enough that I threw them away after
upgrading, (damn, I hate the cardboard envelope they use now, the plastic case
was far easier on the CD's)
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Jeff Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More change in the wind...
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:20:12 +0000
Yes, Microsoft seems to be facing pressure from all sides. These internet
appliances will create their own market as service providers move in to provide
content geared for what the article calls the "countertop"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Looks like the number of MS browsers in use are about to take a big hit,
> while linux makes big moves... .
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/04/06/
> BU24946.DTL&type=business .
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: Shadow Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: These OS debates are simply Hillarious!
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:52:26 -0400
>In addition, it seems that M$ has pulled a lot of the networking functionality
>out of Windows ME.
>From the way I've heard supposedly it's only going to support a 10
computer peer-to-peer network. Now, realisticly this should be all
anyone needs. Although, if it only supports peer-to-peer networking
then MS is also expecting businesses to run Windows 2000 Professional
at all the Client computers? I think this may be the changing in the
tide for Linux. I can see it now over the horizon.
Shadow Hunter
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bobo has "issues"
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 09:13:53 GMT
Bobo wrote (using a pseudonym again):
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 3900 05:27:04, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> |Bobo wrote (using a pseudonym again):
> |>
> |> On Sun, 9 Apr 3900 01:42:19, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> |>
> |> |Where's the rest of the post, Bobo?
> |
> |Note: no response.
> |
> |PS: Are you ever going to answer that post whose Deja URL I gave you (that
> |you requested numerous times and lied about its existence) or have you dropped
> |that losing argument also?
Note: no response.
> |> |Bobo wrote (using a pseudonym again):
> |> |>
> |> |> On Sun, 9 Apr 3900 00:20:43, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> |> |>
> |> |> |> |> If I missed a thousand of your moronic replies, I will admit it with a
> |> |> |> |> blanket statement Marty.
> |> |> |> |
> |> |> |> |That's not what I'm asking you to admit. Still having reading
>comprehension
> |> |> |> |problems?
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> Well I can understand that.
> |> |> |
> |> |> |Apparently not. You've still failed to address the issues I've raised,
> |> |> |repeating history rather than learning from it, as usual. Your lack of
> |> |> |conviction of your own words is as obvious as the faleshoods embedded within
> |> |> |them.
> |> |>
> |> |> You have a reading comprehension problem Marty.
> |> |
> |> |Yet another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, in the typical "monkey-see,
> |> |monkey-do" fashion for which Bobo has become known.
> |>
> |> Right Monkey.
> |
> |There he goes again. Baseless and parrot-like as usual.
> |
> |> As if you actually posted the original.
> |
> |What you fail to realize is that there was reasoning and explanation behind my
> |statement - something which most of yours lack.
>
> I know Marty. I can see you now hyuking and scratching your head.
No. I've already figured out the infantile game you're playing.
> |> What a bonehead, shoots himself in the foot.
> |
> |Last time I looked my foot was a-ok. Better check your fly though. I think
> |you left it opened from the last time you admitted to molesting a small child.
>
> Don't you have anything better to do.
One might ask the same of you.
> My your imagination certainly spends a lot of time circulating around
> young children doncha think?
I'm not the one who admitted to being a child molester.
> |> |> I said it is understandable that you would think that the question you
> |> |> asked was not moronic.
> |> |
> |> |Liar. You said you can understand that that wasn't what I asked you to admit.
> |>
> |> Wrong again,
> |
> |Typical pontification. Any reader reviewing the context can plainly see I am
> |correct.
> |
> |> reading comprehension, they offer classes on the subject
> |> in New York Marty,
> |
> |Non sequitur.
> |
> |> don't miss out.
> |
> |I didn't, your pontifcation notwithstanding.
>
> Good glad to hear you signed up.
I didn't miss out on reading comprehension courses when they were part of my
grammar school curriculum. You are still in the midst of yours apparently, as
you didn't realize this fact when reading my response.
> Perhaps we have something to look forward to.
Like your retraction of your unsubstantiated claims and lies? I wouldn't hold
my breath if I were you.
> |> |> One would not expect anything less from a moron.
> |> |
> |> |Nor would anyone expect fewer baseless erroneous claims coming from a person
> |> |who admitted that he molests small children.
> |>
> |> You are in good company Marty.
> |
> |On what basis do you claim that company with an admitted child molester is
> |"good company"? Of course, I can see why you're a bit biased on the matter,
> |being an admitted child molester and all.
>
> It was sarcastic Marty, or do I need to explain sarcastic as well?
Sarcasm means that your true feelings weren't behind the statement. Perhaps
you should learn what sarcasm is before offering to explain it to someone
else.
> Marty Amodeo says: "If Glatt, Sutherland, yourself, or myself tried
> to get someone fired for using a particular word it is a despicable
> act."
>
> David Sutherland made the following quotes in posts residing on
> Dejanews:
>
> If I posted anything remotely like Tholen's "queer" [Editor: Note
> particular word in quotes] comments with my employers name
> anywhere within that message, I would be escorted to the door,
> and rightly so.[Editor: Note euphemism for firing]
>
> If Tholen doesn't apologise in full, publicly and at great length, I
> *will* advise his university, as this kind of bullshit *should* and
> *will* be challenged.[Editor: Note threat]
>
> I've asked Kenneth P. Mortimer, President, University of
> Hawaii ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for his opinion on how
> certain members of the faculty are spending their time.[Editor: Note
> admission to personal notification of employer]
>
> Tholen used "queer" [Editor: Note particular word in quotes] as an
> insult and a means to attack someone. This is discriminatory. He did
> so from his employers account. His employer has a policy against
> discrimination. Tholen acted against the policies of his employer.
> Tholens employer is now aware of this. [Editor: Note reason for
> contacting employer]
>
> Pretty despicable, I have to agree Marty.
Still demonstrating your inability to prove your claims? How embarrasing! No
matter how many times you repeat it, it does not magically produce evidence
that Sutherland tried to get Tholen fired for using a word, especially in
light of Sutherland's reproduction of the letter he actually sent to the U of
H. I ask again (noting the lack of previous response), where is the part that
proves that Sutherland tried to get him fired for using a word? Can't find
that part, can you? Too bad.
I see your signature is unchanged. So much for:
BO> See I am not such an unreasonable guy Marty. I will work with you
BO> on this.
More hot air. How convenient that you lied about my response to this
statement.
--
The infinite wisdom of Bob Osborn:
"It sounds as if you think somehow queers are better than morons and idiots
and we know that is not the case."
Jeff Glatt says:
"'Idiot' and 'moron' are not descriptive labels for people with learning
disabilities despite your own inability to grasp this very simple fact."
Bobo responds:
"I agree that it is not descriptive so why do you insist on using labels long
improperly attributed to the learning disabled?"
[Editorial: Note the admission that "idiot" and "moron" are derogatory in
nature and are not proper ways to refer to those with mental disabilities.]
Bobo says:
"I never suggested that it was proper to address a retarded person in this
way."
[Editorial: Re-affirming that referring to retarded persons as "idiots" and
"morons" is unacceptable.]
Regarding his position on the matter:
"My argument may not be of any importance to anybody, but at least it is
consistent"
[Editorial: So if we accept this, it's safe to assume that his usage of the
words "moron" and "idiot" are also consistent, hence they are derogatory
terms.]
"It sounds as if you think somehow queers are better than morons and idiots
and we know that is not the case."
So what are you trying to say here, Bobo?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Linux bugs!!!
Date: 9 Apr 2000 01:17:24 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Grega Bremec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>1. the original pcmcia-cs version that came with RH 4.2 (or was
>> it 4.1 - it's so long ago I can't remember): pop a card in,
>> and pop it out again before cardmgr has finished doing its
>> insertion event handling (like within 2 or 3 seconds). Even
>> Ctrl-Alt-Del wouldn't work!
>>
>
>cardmgr, AFAIK, depends on invoking cardctl, wich is a SUID program.
Uh, nice try, but wrong.
cardmgr is a daemon, and cardctl is merely a client that talks
to it. The only reason cardctl is suid is so it can mknod a device
to talk to cardmgr with.
If you delete cardctl, cardmgr continues to function without
complaint.
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