Linux-Advocacy Digest #41, Volume #31 Sun, 24 Dec 00 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Annoyed at installations (Jacques Guy)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000 (nf)
Re: Corel to pull out of Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451900 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:45:50 -0500
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> >
> > > > Also, the "Free" in Free Software doesn't primarily refer to
> > > > money bu to sourcecode. Then you can do all the source auditing
> > > > out want. Infact, one of the BSDs is geared specifically with
> > > > that in mind.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So you would pay for a freebie?
> >
> > Many people do just that. The Free Software Foundation has been selling
> > free-software compilations for nearly 20 years. If you speak French think
> > "libre" rather than "gratis". In English think "free country", not "free
> > lunch".
> >
>
> So much for lower up front costs. There goes TCO even further up for Linux.
$20 CD, used among 1000 computers = $0.02 / computer.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 07:50:35 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Annoyed at installations
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That's why they call it Lie-Nux.
(hey!)
Tymm! Timb Parmre iz bakq! Whalecum bakc Tymb ole
kokk! Wy didya chaenj yor spell checquer tho?
Jee, nevvar myend, giss a beeeeg smootsh, Tym,
**** smoooooch ****
An annuvver wun fer th'rode
**** smooooooooch *****
PS Eny nooz off Klayre laightli? Wee mis er.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:48:02 -0500
Shane Phelps wrote:
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> >
> > "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Also, the "Free" in Free Software doesn't primarily refer to
> > > > > money bu to sourcecode. Then you can do all the source auditing
> > > > > out want. Infact, one of the BSDs is geared specifically with
> > > > > that in mind.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So you would pay for a freebie?
> > >
> > > Many people do just that. The Free Software Foundation has been selling
> > > free-software compilations for nearly 20 years. If you speak French think
> > > "libre" rather than "gratis". In English think "free country", not "free
> > > lunch".
> > >
> >
> > So much for lower up front costs. There goes TCO even further up for Linux.
>
> I'm going to call you (and other TCO claimants) on this one, Chad!
>
> I keep seeing lots of claims from assorted quarters that System X has
> much lower TCO than System Y (where X and Y are arbitrary OSen, and
> are often reversed) but the hard data never seem to surface.
>
> Please don't use MS's NT vs Linux pages as a reference - they were
> derived from *old* NT vs SPARC/Solaris figures, then Linux was
> substitied for Solaris.
> http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/nts/exec/Compares/LowerTCO.asp
>
> I have my own TCO figures from client sites, so I have a pretty good
> feel for ongoing support requirements of comparable systems for a
> range of user types and functionality. TCO is like any other type
> of statistic or benchmark. It can be fiddled to give the results
> you want. BTW, lost user productivity of downtime rarely seems to appear
> in published TCO figures.
>
> FWIW, the bulk of real world TCO is in the ongoing support, and
> depends very heavily on stability, ease of installation and ease of
> remote management as it scales beyond trivial numbers of users,
> boxen and sites.
Yep.
GM's 5,000 CAD seats are all administrated from one room in Troy, Michigan,
by a team of 15 people.
Try that with ANYTHING from Microshaft...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: nf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:55:15 -0500
In article <BDf16.207$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
> > The problem is that many programs are written to a Win9x model and don't
> > do the right things as far as use of registry keys and such. The
> > vendors get away with this because the poor security on a default
> > installation of NT allows it to work. OTOH, one could probably make an
> > agrument that the whole registry mechanism is too complicated and that
> > is the reason that developers don't use it as they should. There seems
> > to be a lot of random and unexplained complexity in Win32.
>
> IMHO, Win32 is the way it is because it was rushed and not well thought out
> in advance. The same goes for the registry. Had they stuck with ini files
> (placing them into an /etc or equivalent rather than the windows system
> directory), it'd been better.
>
>
It would have been FAR better. Especially for those of us who have to
program to the damn thing.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corel to pull out of Linux
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:55:24 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> blessed us with this true
> writ:
>
> > Bob Hauck wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:30:09 GMT, kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I can't download (very sucessfully) 650MB iso images as I only have a
> > > >56L modem. If I were in the US, I would not have any problems (due to
> > > >the affordability of cable modems etc.).
> > >
> > > Maybe, maybe not. I can't _get_ a cable modem or DSL, at any price.
> > > That's what I get for living out in the woods.
> >
> > Get a satellite dish. Can't upload on it, but your downloads can
> > be routed through it.
> >
>
> Ha, $50-US per month instead of having Cheapbytes mail you the
> latest cd for $1.99 + mailing. LOL!
The original poster is overseas.
Ever send anything overseas? Even to major cities in civilized
countries, it takes several weeks.
>
> > > -| Bob Hauck
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> --
> Vacuo
>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:00:05 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:10:22 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> The Ghost In The Machine writes:
> >>
>
> [snip discussion of tholen]
>
> >> > So maybe I should have picked a slightly different word;
> >> > he does seem to want to get on people's nerves.
> >>
> >> What seems to you is irrelevant. You want somebody that wants to
> >> get on people's nerves, check out the antagonists here. Malloy is
> >> one of them.
> >
> >You still haven't sacrificed yourself to the volcano, Oxygen Thief.
> >
> >What's the fucking hold up, you miserable waste of skin...
>
> Did you want him to slit his wrists first, or after he
> jumps in the volcano? :-)
Obviously, Tholen isn't trying hard enough. I've given him sooooo
many alternative ways, and the miserable shit-sack keeps turning
up his nose.
Slit his wrists
jump in the volcano
participate in the freeway-olympics
Come on, Tholen...
get with the fucking program and kill your miserable self.
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> #191, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- still wondering how Judas died in the Bible
> up 87 days, 3:32, running Linux.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451900
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:01:59 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Today's Kulkis digest:
>
> 39> When will you become one with the volcano, dave?
>
> Show me how, Kulkis.
Here....
1) stand on the rim of the volcano
2) dive in
Think you can figure that out, shit-for-brains?
>
> 40> I enjoy making fools like tholen squirm.
>
> You're erroneously presupposing that I'm a fool, Kulkis.
^^^^^^^^^^^
You misspelled "correctly"
>
> 41> Tholen doesn't DARE act like this in face-to-face conversations.
>
> Incorrect.
Liar.
>
> 41> Otherwise, he would have been volcano food a LONG time ago...
>
> Typical invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical
> argument.
I'm not substituting invective, I'M ADDING IT, you miserable oxygen-thief.
>
> 42> YAY SIG!
>
> Illogical.
YAY SIG!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:03:44 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>> I don't care.
>
> >>>> You should, given that you're arguing with someone who agrees with
> >>>> you that something about computers can be intuitive, rather than the
> >>>> person you disagree with. Most interesting.
>
> >> Note: no response.
>
> > My whole post was a response to this point, liar.
>
> Odd that there's no text immediately after my point, liar. Odd that
> you've been debating with me, despite the fact that we agree on that
> point, whereas you have not been debating Aaron Kulkis. Could it be
> that you anticipate his ad hominem tactics?
>
> > That's it. I'm done, you self-righteous lying twit.
>
> You're erroneously presupposing that I'm lying (or a "twit" for
> that matter; it's just more of the invective I expect from people
> that don't have a logical argument to offer instead).
>
> > That's why I'm letting you have the last deceptive word
> > in those other subthreads above.
>
> The "last word" is irrelevant, and your "deceptive" is unsubstantiated.
>
> > You won the contest to see who has more free time.
>
> Irrelevant, given that there was no contest to see who has more free
> time.
>
> > No matter what I might say in a post, you will always have that one
> > more chance to raise one more false accusation that I feel obligated
> > to defend against.
>
> What alleged "false accusation"?
>
> > The only way to end it is for me to choose to remain deliberately
> > ignorant of whatever your last posts might have been.
>
> On the contrary, there are other ways to end it, such as to discontinue
> your erroneous claim that the Esc key is closer than the cursor keys
> except in "unique" cases.
>
> > Congrats. You won the childish game that you won't admit is a game.
>
> It would be illogical to admit to something that isn't the truth,
> Steve.
>
> > If you acted like this in a face-to-face debate people
> > would just walk away once they realized how hopeless it
> > is trying to be polite and resonable with you.
>
> But you haven't tried to be polite and reasonable with me, Steve.
> You just kept claiming that my keyboard is "unique".
>
> > Many debates with you get turned into character attacks back and
> > forth very quickly.
>
> Because people lacking a logical argument turn to invective in
> many cases. Makes them feel good to cut someone down to the level
> at which they think their argument has been cut.
>
> > You are legendary on Usenet for this.
>
> The antagonists are the ones creating the legend, Steve.
>
> > As parting advice, think on this: If this is always everyone
> > else's fault, as you probably think, why does it keep happening
> > to *you*?
>
> Because I stand up to the antagonists, unlike many people.
>
> > *plonk*
>
> Famous last words.
Tholen, you OBVIOUSLY have not followed my instructions upon
how to correctly slit your wrists.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Can't you understand plain fucking English!?!?!?!?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:04:57 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> Windows NT TERMINAL SERVICES EDITION does exactly that genius. And Windows
Oh god....
Microsoft....developing 1960's technology....tomorrow!
> 2000 now serve's a remote console session (remote DOS prompt)
>
> Gee, sucks when Windows is moving along, and Linux is standing still.
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, Linux splits the user interface and treats it like it were a
> program.
> > > > UNIX did this because IT HAD NO CHOICE. Linux does this because...???
> > >
> > > No...it was done that way because it MAKES MORE SENSE and KEEPS
> > > SYSTEM STABILITY HIGH.
> >
> > Bravo!!! Here! Here!
> >
> > And only now is Windozzzzzzzz getting a "terminal server". I'm curious
> > though, as to where that leaves "pcAnywhere"?
> >
> > Chris
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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