Linux-Advocacy Digest #89, Volume #26 Wed, 12 Apr 00 09:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: OT:RANT:Long: If anyone develops an IDE for Linux PLEASE NO PROJECT FILES (or
MDI for that matter) (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: OT:RANT:Long: If anyone develops an IDE for Linux PLEASE NO PROJECT FILES (or
MDI for that matter) (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Running as administrator all the time Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed (Donal K.
Fellows)
Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed (Truckasaurus)
Re: Programming Languages (Lee Sau Dan)
Re: Now well OT Communism v Marxism (was: Introduction to Linux article for
commentary) (Donovan Rebbechi)
Vehical Comparisons ("Niall Wallace")
Re: Windows is scary all right ("Chad Myers")
Re: Looking forward to Apple's MacOX X (John Jensen)
Re: Linux for a web developer ("Niall Wallace")
Re: Linux for a web developer ("Niall Wallace")
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000? (Jason Bowen)
Re: Now well OT Communism v Marxism (was: Introduction to Linux article for
commentary) (John Winters)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: OT:RANT:Long: If anyone develops an IDE for Linux PLEASE NO PROJECT FILES
(or MDI for that matter)
Date: 12 Apr 2000 10:36:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> It is? Not any version I've used. Blackdown-1.2rc4 certainly does not
> enforce that restriction.
My bad. The restriction only applies to public classes. I just
happen to write a lot of public classes, making the private ones be
inner classes... (Efficiency? What's that? :^)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: OT:RANT:Long: If anyone develops an IDE for Linux PLEASE NO PROJECT FILES
(or MDI for that matter)
Date: 12 Apr 2000 10:43:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows) writes:
>> I prefer, once I've built the main architecture of a program, to have
>> a makefile that specifies all dependencies explicitly. Maybe it's not
>> perfect, but it sucks less than the alternatives that I've tried...
>
> Specify `--include-deps' on the automake command line, and Makefile.in's
> will be generated that will do just that. It tends to be extremely
> irritating, though, because this includes system include files &c... so
> I tend to just let dependency computation go its own way when doing a
> `make dist'. It's safer, too, given the wild heterogeneity of Linux
> boxes out there.
When I last tried automake, it managed to turn a functioning (if
hairy) makefile system into one that failed. I've never been inclined
to try again. (The amount of effort it takes to fix the crufty header
files of SunOS/Solaris with a number of different versions of gcc
lurking around is unreal. I *hate* C. I *despise* C++. Java's
compiler is at least both reasonably consistent with itself, and not
about to give you different versions of libraries and header files.)
Now, I've got a bunch of simulation papers to read today, so I hope
you'll forgive me if I stop ranting right there... :^(
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Running as administrator all the time Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed
Date: 12 Apr 2000 11:06:28 GMT
In article <EQPH4.4486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Timothy J. Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Probably not to the degree that Windows users tend to run as
>: administrator all the time. Many Windows users have become
>: accustomed to "run as administrator all the time" because:
>
> I do have the bad habit of using Linux as "root" all the time. At least I
> know that this is a dangerous habit. I got into this bad habit thanks to
> DOS. That's becuse of course DOS has no system for setting up normal
> accounts like UNIX and Linux has.
I just thought of a nice little analogy. Being administrator/root on
a machine is like having the hood on the car open - great for when
you're doing maintenance, but not so good when you're going to the
mall, travelling to work, or driving upstate on vacation.
OK, so it's a car analogy, and thus of virtually no practical use
whatsoever. But it might entertain anyway.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:14:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > > > > I got a better virus than that, if you're gonna use "su".
> > > > >
> > > > > $ su
> > > > > Password:
> > > > > # rm -rf /
> > > > >
> > > > > It may be somewhat subtle, but it works....
> > > >
> > > > oh way, I thought "su" didn't necessarily mean root - so, what
if a
> > > su to
> > > > guest or something like that - not very fatal eh?
> >
> > Dres, you twit, su defaults to root. Sure, su guest would swithc to
guest,
> > but he just used su with no options.
> >
>
> you missed the sarcasm becuase of a previous thread. I know what su
defaults
> to but ... never mind, it *was* funny once...
Can you *prove* that it was sarcasm, and not pure ignorance?
--
"It's the best $50 bucks I ever spent. I would have paid five
times that for what your 'New You' packet allowed me to do!!!"
-- K. Waterbury, CA
Martin A. Boegelund.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Lee Sau Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Programming Languages
Date: 12 Apr 2000 19:52:13 +0800
>>>>> "John" == John W Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> HTML and RTF are not really programming languages,
John> I would say that they *ARE* programming languages, but they
John> are not "Turing Complete" programming languages.
>> So what is a programming language? Good question. And it's
>> probably going to get a lot weirder before everything shakes
>> out.
John> A programming language is any language you can use to give
John> instructions to the system that is to execute those
John> instructions.
So, is a ZIP file a programming language? It does give instructions
to a system (ZIP decompressor) to do something useful!
John> Obviously, super-classes of "programming language" include
John> such things as English, which can be used to do more than
John> simply give instructions.
Why is English a superclass? You mean a programming language is an
instance of English? Wrong... it's possible to design a language with
all reserved words being Hebrew.
--
Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´°(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Now well OT Communism v Marxism (was: Introduction to Linux article for
commentary)
Date: 12 Apr 2000 08:28:57 -0400
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:20:55 +0100, Graham N Hays wrote:
>
>BUT ... please do it somewhere more appropriate I see no connection
>whatsoever between this and Linux
Use a real newsreader and kill the thread.
--
Donovan
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From: "Niall Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Vehical Comparisons
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:29:46 +0100
If Computer OS's were Vehicals then Linux would be a car.
When the fuel runs out you fix the problem your self or you can hit the horn
and someone might come out to fill the tank up for you.
When you get a puncture you can either fix the puncture your self or you
might beable to call out a breakdown company to do it for you.
When you head gasket goes you can either get someone to replace it for you
or you can dismantle the head your self and replace it.
Now if Windows was a vehical it would be a Ship
If it Runs out of fuel then you drift about until the Helicopter finds you
If it runs out of food then you starve until the Helicopter finds you
If the captain has messed up then there is nothing you can do about it
If it hit an Iceberg, Youre f****d
Niall
So what would you rather travel in
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Windows is scary all right
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:37:07 GMT
"Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Damn straight. I use windows for recreational purposes.
>
> But after the track record of the last 10 years, NO Fortune 500
> company is putting ANY mission-critical application on Windows.
>
> They might use Windows as a data-terminal to front-end to the app,
> but no way in hell is anybody putting ANYTHING mission critical
> on a Microsoft machine.
It's truly unfortunate that you're so delusional, as MANY Fortune 500
companies are using Windows for mission critical applications. From
SAP, to Baan, to PeopleSoft, to Terminal Services, to custom applications
like NASDAQ, Windows is serving mission critical applications all over
the world.
Maybe it's time you pulled your head from the dirt and opened your eyes?
-Chad
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Looking forward to Apple's MacOX X
Date: 12 Apr 2000 12:46:47 GMT
Ziya Oz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: John Jensen wrote:
: > ...but I remember what was there two years ago (FVWM?). I find the rate of
: > progress to be pretty impressive. Enough so, that any snapshot of current
: > state doesn't really seem too vexing.
: By this logic, one day, Windows will be an elegant, stable and coherent OS
: to work with. After all, W2K is better than Win3x (and Linux has been around
: for a number of years). Why not wait for MS to catch up to its own
: pronouncements?
Do you really see that rate of progress in two years of Windows revisions?
John
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From: "Niall Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux for a web developer
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:49:39 +0100
Yes but it's when the WYSIWYG designer you are using to make a complicated
table and it looks different every time you load the thing up in Internet
Exploder and Nutscrape Navigator and Opera can't find it's plugins
That you have to start worrying.
I used Frontpage express to write a page that was basically one massive
table.
It was a reall mess and it was to be for a CFM Secure Server Pagewhich
doesn't like spaces in form names, I actually had to go through the code in
Notepad removing the tags that were basically not needed.
It's obsessed with using <p align="left"> Where <br> is all you need.
How many one line paragraphs have you seen?.
They also usually expect you to want to use word wrap and don't put in any
<br> tags which is really annoying becasue I don't want a new paragraph
after every line in my index.
Niall
> Presentation is a part of content. It is how your site looks, how it
loads,
> and how it works. All of these things contribute to the user's overall
> experience of your site. WYSIWYG tools are great at rapid design of a good
> looking site (if you know what a good looking site is.) They are bad
because
> they can produce shitty code, or a site that is too graphics-intensive to
> load quickly and present a positive experience.
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From: "Niall Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux for a web developer
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:43:03 +0100
The benefits are
You have to get used to case sensitivity for most web servers any way so Win
98 gets chucked into the skip unless you have a decent FTP program that will
convert to lowecase automatically. And then you still have the problem of
referring to files in correctly.
Linux has a web server as standard so it also has Perl as well, this means
you can actually test your scripts before publiscising them.
With Windows you need to download Active Perl 5 (almost 6MB)
You also need a web server like Xitnami, I have tried the microsoft one and
it was crap and I tried Apache which sort of worked.
Getting your webserver to work with Perl can be a right bastard.
All you need is a text editor, a way of uploading the stuff, and a Unix web
server (Okay, so you could use a Frontpage or NT but why bother) to put the
stuff on.
I personally write web pages in Win 95 and Notepad, I also use Xitnami and
Active Perl 5, the main reason for this is that my Windoze box actually has
a modem.
Saying that you don't need windows to do web development is a blind argument
as the best developers are the one who can make a page look good and work
properly on almost any computer in the world, So you shold at least have
access to the internet using
Windowze, Linux, Be Os, OS/2, Mac OS, Web TV
I think you should get my point from that.
If you all ready have Windows and not Linux then use Windows but be extra
carefull if you are using a Unix server or people will start loading up
gtf.htm and not finding it because it's been uploaded as GtF.Htp or
something weird.
Niall
Webmaster of some page some where
OOrkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:u17#8y#o$GA.234@cpmsnbbsa03...
> I'm a begining web developer; what are the benefits (if any) for a web
> developer to switch from WIN98 to Linux (which distribution would u
recomend
> ?) ?
> Thanks
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000?
Date: 12 Apr 2000 12:49:58 GMT
Well Bob with your track record of providing incompetent knowledge of
hardware/software and your ability to make up lies to suit yourself I
don't see your claims being worth shit. You sound paranoid and you do
like to demonize that which you don't like, you took your military
training to heart. If you can't figure out who is connecting to your
computer maybe you need to learn more about networking, it is pretty easy
to monitor the traffic to and from your computer. You could've
monitored packets and checked for packets that you knew weren't part of
what you were doing. So you are an incompetent computer professional
that claims he set up a few addresses on his machine and Genie knew that
they were there in the DB/2 database and got them and used them? Yeah
Bob, I believe, after all look at your posts in here. So can you give us
the method they used, you must have proof? Your story is full of holes.
Unless you have the logs to prove it you are talking shit, not that I am
suprised. How do you know that Genie didn't just keep scanning others
hard drives Bob and not just yours. Didn't you feel any sense of duty to
publicize this? You could've really nailed em to the wall and you didn't.
In article<38f314c6$5$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 04/10/2000 at 03:46 PM,
> "David D. Huff Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>
>> I read it. I also read the articles in Networking, and the Wall Street
>> Journal. This is common knowledge for the literate.
>
>> The lab that actually found the key notified the NSA first! Maybe you
>> don't have access to well known publications by CMP. I understand that
>> ZD is more your level so that is why you never heard it before now.
>
>Of course, you read it David as did I and millions of others. My son in
>law saw it on ZD Net on Cable. At least one client, a law firm, saw it in
>the mainstream media and contacted me at once worried about the privacy of
>client files from the prying eyes of unscrupulous law firms representing
>the plaintiffs or defendants in lawsuits.
>
>Then a few days later another law firm client called. He saw it in an
>article in a legal newspaper. He too was concerned.
>
>M$ can obfuscate, lie, and deny all it wants. Do you recall Genie?
>
>It was an early competitor of CompuServe et al. There were reports that
>they were getting data from subscriber's computers and selling it. Just
>for shits and giggles, I created a DB2 database with four absolutely
>fictional companies complete with normal looking entries for officers,
>address, telephone numbers, etc. To anyone looking, the data appeared to
>be real. The companies had valid addresses (those of four of our children)
>and valid telephone numbers (two of them unlisted ones of mine, one for
>one of my daughters, one for one of our associates).
>
>Within weeks, we began getting snail mail for those companies. We also got
>phone calls. When I presented this to the folks who were denying it and
>threatened to send it to the Feds, they stopped and soon disappeared. They
>did admit that they had a couple of rogue employees who were doing this
>without knowledge of management.
>
>That was about as believable as Bill Gates not knowing what his
>programmers are doing.
>
>--
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
>MR/2 Ice 2.10 Registration Number 67
>As the court closes in on M$, Lemmings are morphing to Ostrats!
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Now well OT Communism v Marxism (was: Introduction to Linux article for
commentary)
Date: 12 Apr 2000 13:57:45 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:20:55 +0100, Graham N Hays wrote:
>>
>
>>BUT ... please do it somewhere more appropriate I see no connection
>>whatsoever between this and Linux
>
>Use a real newsreader and kill the thread.
The fact that good newsreaders can kill threads is no excuse for off topic
postings. Graham is quite right to request that this be taken to somewhere
appropriate.
Follow-ups set.
John
--
John Winters. Wallingford, Oxon, England.
The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK
See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/
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