Linux-Advocacy Digest #134, Volume #26 Sat, 15 Apr 00 03:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: dvwssr.dll (abraxas)
Re: GPL WILL die...Just a matter of time....... (Robert Morelli)
Re: Windows IS the dominant corporate OS (Robert Morelli)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Eric Bennett)
Re: uptime -> /dev/null (Mike Marion)
Re: uptime -> /dev/null (Mike Marion)
Re: uptime -> /dev/null (Mike Marion)
Re: LNUX below 30 (Salvador Peralta)
Re: uptime -> /dev/null (Mike Marion)
Re: uptime -> /dev/null (Mike Marion)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Steve)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! ("2 + 2")
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Eric Bennett)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Date: 14 Apr 2000 23:21:57 -0400
On 14 Apr 2000 22:46:36 GMT, red-5 wrote:
>
>
>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >And so is monoplozing scare resources and the dening them to those who
>> >need them first.
>>
>> Monopolies are not supposed to exist in "good" capitalism, because
>> they imply non-free markets.
>
>The free market breeds monopolies, as Marx predicted. If you can't see all
Communism breeds even more monopolies by completely eliminating any
competition with the government.
>of the glaring examples, then take one close to your heart- Microsoft. It
>takes anti-free-market governmental intervention
The question is whether the government intervention is less "anti-free-market"
than the status-quo.
>anti-trust case to stop a monopoly get bigger. Companies work hard at
>making themselves as indispensible as possible, in order to guarantee their
>own growth and income.
This usually breeds competition.
>> Why would farmers want to destroy their crops ?
>
>They do... for Christ's sake, what does the EU common agricultural policy
>do??
You didn't answer my question. Why ? If they could sell the stuff they
destroy and get more money for it, they obviously wouldn't want to. BTW,
I'm not familiar with the "EU common agricultural policy", but it doesn't
sound very pro-free market if the name is an accurate description.
>> that the working class people there are better off than professors in
>China.
>
>1)China is capitalist- it's state-run capitalism.
Yes and no. In some ways, they resemble capitalism, in some ways they don't.
> 2)Look at a country like
>Russia, which now it has embraced free-market values a very few have
>prospered, whilst the standard of living for everyone else has
>deteriorated.
One example doesn't prove a great deal. Would they be substantially better
off under Stalin ?
>Fact: the gap between rich and poor in western countries is widening, even
What do you mean by "the gap between rich and poor" ? Rich and poor alike
have access to the same basic living items. In terms of dollar amounts,
tehere might be some truth in this, but in terms of living standards,
there is very little truth.
>if the base-rate standard of living is improving. Which is debateable.
Name one communist country whose inhabitants enjoy better living standards
than working class people in the US.
>Don't want to work? An old, ignorant lie. In extreme cases, you are
>confusing genuine despair with laziness.
In extreme cases, mental illness is involved. In the case of homeless
teens, the parents are part of the problem. It's not a problem that is
*caused* by capitalism.
I'm not clear as to what your "solution" to the problem is. Providing
shelters is a good idea, but they are already doing that, and it's really
only a bandaid
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: For the WinTrolls - incredible
Date: 14 Apr 2000 23:38:46 -0400
On 15 Apr 2000 11:12:15 +0800, Terry Porter wrote:
>Appologies Donovan, I should have said:-
>KDE contains a base set of applications such as a window manager
>(called kwm), filemanager, terminal emulator, help system, and display
>configuration.
It also contains a big pile of nonbase applications.
>I'm sure its a wondefull thing, and I meant no critisism of any involved with
>KDE. However for myself I prefer leaner apps, such as Blackbox and Tkdesk.
>(actually even Tkdesk is a bit too slow for my liking)
My point is that you can use KDE applications and enjoy the benefits of
them with or without kdebase on your desktop.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: dvwssr.dll
Date: 15 Apr 2000 04:14:35 GMT
Francis Van Aeken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tesla Coil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "The file, called ''dvwssr.dll'' is installed on
>> Microsoft's Internet-server software with Frontpage 98
>> extensions. A hacker [sic] may be able to gain access
>> to key Web site management files, which could in turn
>> provide a road map to such things as customer credit
>> card numbers, The Journal reported."
> Stop the FUD. The Wall Street Journal was wrong.
> Moreover, (from : http://cnnfn.com/2000/04/14/technology/microsoft/ ) :
> " In addition, Internet Security Systems (ISSX: Research, Estimates) just
> discovered a flaw in a Web server component of the Linux operating
> system that could allow hackers [sic ;-] to gain "back door" access to
> Web site files, Rouland said. "
Typical. Which web server component? Whats the flaw?
I didnt think so.
=====yttrx
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:31:25 -0400
From: Robert Morelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GPL WILL die...Just a matter of time.......
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> When the folks with all the money, because it really IS about money,
> start pulling the strings, GPL will go down the drain.
>
> Just a matter of time..
>
> And this is a GOOD thing because all of the half assed, half done
> programs that masquerade as Linux alternatives to Windows will die a
> quick and just death.
I'm wondering when they're going to pull those darned strings on CORBA and
Apache. Last I checked CORBA was at over 2/3 of the enterprise market and
Apache at 60% and growing.
By the way, are the strings you're talking about the strings on Gates'
diapers? It's kind of a problem, as I hear they're leaky and he pees
right through them every time sees the market share figures. He's
starting to really stink, you know.
> Money rules the world and Linux will find out sooner or later.
Yeah, maybe they should lower the price.
> Steve
Hey, where's that guy who used to end each post with "Buy MSFT!!!"
If it looked good at 120, it must look really good now that it's down
to 74.
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:06:49 -0400
From: Robert Morelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows IS the dominant corporate OS
Joseph Wong wrote:
>
> Windows will remain the dominant corporate operating system because it has
> some features/frameworks that would make it easier for enterprise wide
> computing. For instance, DAO, ADO and COM. These frameworks that to the best
> of my knowlede only exists on the Windows platform put them at an advantage
The CORBA distributed object model is not only used in the enterprise, but
it's been eating COM market share for breakfast. The last I heard, CORBA
was used in more than 2/3 of the market and growing. In fact, there's been
considerable discussion of this fact, and Microsoft's reaction to it, in the
press.
A compounding problem for MS is that it put all of its efforts into trying
to derail Java, rather than developing competing technology. Unfortunately
for them, these efforts failed resoundingly, and Java is now thriving in
the enterprise and e-business, and is gradually displacing Visual Basic,
and no one takes Microsoft's threat to Java seriously anymore. (Of
course, Java didn't displace native desktop applications, but that's a
different issue.) Microsoft no longer even has an up to date Java license,
let alone a competing technology, and they're going to have to license
a JVM from a small third party in the future. In a rather pathetic last
ditch scramble, they proposed a technology dubbed COOL last year to compete
with Java. The market took it as a joke and had a good belly laugh, after
which MS sheepishly agreed they'd only been kidding.
These problems seem to be behind Microsoft's odd recent enthusiasm for XML.
> over the competition. For corporate IT managers what matters most in an OS
> is not its quality or performance. I wouldn't say that this doesn't matter,
> but its just not the most important. What is the most important is whether
> or not its serves your enterprise needs for: database access, network
> support and distributed computing. ADO and DAO serves the purpose of making
> database access easy to accomplish in Windows systems. COM is Microsoft's
> model for interprocess communications and distributed computing. ADO and DAO
> gives you an extra layer of abstraction when dealing with your database.
> This means that you don't have to worry that much about lower level details
> when making a program to manipulate your database. Your data could be on a
> server in the next room or located in some little known server somewhere it
> Timbuktu in doesn't matter. You can access your data in the same fashion.
> Another advantage of DAO and ADO is the standardisation of data accessing.
> This means similar programs which also uses DAO and ADO can talk to each
> other via COM. This allows for rapid application development which also
> matters a lot in the corporate environment. From the above reasons, I think
> the enthusiasm over Linux and overly optimistic and overhyped. Microsoft,
> because of its better supporting frameworks and protocols still has the
> upperhand as far as the big corporate guys are concerned.
Hmm. Let me guess. You just got back from a Windows World trade show where
you sat through 26 hours of Microsoft promotionals. No, hang on. You just
got your complimentary "The Wonderful World of Windows 2000" video in the mail,
and you've already run it three times. Wait, I've got it. You copied
this stuff from a Microsoft advertisement.
> Joe
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 01:43:31 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
George Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >This is diferent from the flyers Macromedia sends me promising
> >to teach me the ins and outs of Freehand, Dreamweaver, Flash and
> >Fireworks in a weekend how?
> >Is Macromedia pathetic, Eric?
>
> You miss the point. The seminar isn't what's pathetic, it's Windows
> that's pathetic for requiring people to know this much crap just to keep
> a bunch of these clunkers running!
Actually, while I started out intending to mostly make fun of Windows,
by the time I read through the thing a second time I was poking more fun
at the seminar than at Windows itself...
--
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
CBS News report on Fort Worth tornado damage:
"Eight major downtown buildings were severely damaged and 1,000 homes were
damaged, with 95 uninhabitable. Gov. George W. Bush declared Tarrant County
a disaster area. Federal Emergency Management Agency workers are expected
to arrive sometime next week after required paperwork is completed."
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uptime -> /dev/null
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:50:21 GMT
Tesla Coil wrote:
> And cron jobs of all kinds. Don't forget cron jobs... :)
But of course.
I have cron jobs that do things like randomly pick a sig from my sigfile every 5
minutes... page me with my company's stock info for the day after the market
closes (today sucked!), run scripts at work after hours, etc.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
If anything can go wrong it w
Segmentation fault. Core dumped.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uptime -> /dev/null
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:56:15 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What's really bizarre is that we accept, as normal, downtimes with
> personal computers that we wouldn't tolerate with anything else we
> owned. If my auto quit working for no apparent reason at all two or
I think that's an important part of the whole Windows vs. Unix OS debate: for
windows users this is true (for the most part). However, I know that for
myself, and the engineers I support... this is _not_ acceptable.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
Out hme0, through the Cat5K, Across the ATM backbone, past the firewall, past
the provider, hit the router, down the fiber, off another router... Nothing
but net.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uptime -> /dev/null
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:59:04 GMT
Donn Miller wrote:
> Well, the problem is with incandescent light bulbs. By switching the
> thing on and off a bunch of times, the tungsten filament warms and
> cools, causing thermal stresses, which in turn shortens the life of
> the filament. If you leave it on constantly, though, there is no
> warming up and cooling down; it's just warm all the time.
After reading the first few posts of this thread yesterday I got to thinking...
this would make a great science project for a student. Get a bunch of identical
lights with identical power sources (like a bunch of small lamps). Select a
certain amount to remain on for the duration of the experiment, and the others
to be the ones that turn on and off. The constant on ones would, of course,
remain on, while the others would be turned on and off at regular intervals. If
the experiment time frame was long enough for lights to start burning out, it
would be interesting to see the percentages of which type lasted longer and
which burned out earlier.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
Out hme0, through the Cat5K, Across the ATM backbone, past the firewall, past
the provider, hit the router, down the fiber, off another router... Nothing
but net.
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LNUX below 30
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:00:49 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> Are you trying to suggest that "Linux" is solely responsible for the DOJ
> case ? Boy, somebody sounds bitter. It's not Linux's fault that Microsoft
> has been found guilty of illegal behaviour. The most vocal enemies of
> Microsoft have been Sun and Netscape.
...and IBM, and Intel, and Compaq, and Inprise, ... et al.
M$ has no one but itself to blame for its current legal woes. OSS is
certainly not responsible for Microsoft breaking the law. The only role
that Linux plays in all of this is to provide a superior alternative for
many server-side functions, and a promising alternative on the
client-side.
--
Salvador Peralta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.la-online.com
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uptime -> /dev/null
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:26:27 GMT
Pedro Ballester wrote:
> I'd like to see a great scale testing of computers being left on and
> computers
> switching on and off that gets this point clearer to me. I understand
> completly
> what you say and even agree in some points, but real personal experience
> tells
> me other thing; besides, don't forget that server hardware is more robust,
> while
> desktop/home users computers are not sold neither designed for continuous
> use.
Ok, you want info... how's this.
About a year ago, I got to help (I was volunteered) to help with an IT asset
inventory of the entire company. We had PCs all over the place in labs and
offices that went back to early 386 machines. We're talking up to 10 years
old. They use these boxes for testing phone systems and stuff. These are
machines that are left on 24/7. I don't know a lot of people that still have
PCs they bouth that long ago that still work. Sure, often they bought a new one
(because the newer version of windows needed so much more power/memory) but
often it was because they finally crapped out. Difference? The home PCs didn't
get left on all the time.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
"Curiosity is the very basis of education and if you tell me that
curiosity killed the cat, I say only the cat died nobly."
- Arnold Edinborough
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uptime -> /dev/null
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:28:19 GMT
Pedro Ballester wrote:
> I see, exactly what a server should be, aren't we talking about
> desktop/home ?
Yes we are. My "server" at home _is_ a PC made for desktop/home use.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
Whoever came up with the idea of sending email as HTML should be shot,
hung, drowned, poisoned, eviscerated, decapitated, drawn and quartered,
burned at the stake, impaled, crushed, flayed, asphyxiated, and sodomized
with a three-foot-long, foot-diameter jagged, red-hot poker. All at the
same time.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:35:15 GMT
On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 01:06:20 GMT, George Graves
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>This is diferent from the flyers Macromedia sends me promising
>>to teach me the ins and outs of Freehand, Dreamweaver, Flash and
>>Fireworks in a weekend how?
>>Is Macromedia pathetic, Eric?
>
>You miss the point. The seminar isn't what's pathetic, it's Windows
>that's pathetic for requiring people to know this much crap just to keep
>a bunch of these clunkers running!
I've been _heavily_ using Win95/98 since the day Win95 was released
and have _yet_ to have to play with the registry. I'll tell you what's
_pathetic_ and that's the back-water Mac only being able to run one
instance of a program at a time. (This is year 2000 ??? ) I tap the
spacebar twice and my PC turns on, boots & connects to the net with
_3_ instances of IE running , one goes to my news site, one to web
mail, and one to my online broker. With as much web intensive work as
I do the Mac would be a REAL mill stone around my neck, But all is
not lost , I think with OS X the Mac will finally crawl out from
under the rock a bit.
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:51:33 -0400
It'll never affect me, I'm an expert as this kind of stuff.
2 + 2
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"Hi! I'm a signature virus.
Pls put me in yr sigline and help me spread."
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Tim Mayer wrote in message ...
>
><jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)> wrote in message
>news:L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-3zQXCEoxFlf6@localhost...
>> Oh, Eric. You should know better than to mock those poor Windows
>> users. They can't help being who they are.
>>
>> The more fortunate of us should be compassionate, not haughty. They
>> need attention, education, guidance. Invest your energy in those
>> instead.
>>
>> Karel Jansens
>> jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
>>========================================================
>> "Hi! I'm a signature virus.
>> Pls put me in yr sigline and help me spread."
>>========================================================
>>
>
>Hey Karel,
>
>I thought your Sig was funny at first, and didn't take it serious. But ever
>since I've read your message, every single new/reply post has this sig.
What
>gives? DAMN YOU FOR INFECTING MY SYSTEM!!! ;-)
>
>Tim
>
>========================================================
> "Hi! I'm a signature virus.
> Pls put me in yr sigline and help me spread."
>========================================================
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:04:32 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Steve) wrote:
> I've been _heavily_ using Win95/98 since the day Win95 was released
> and have _yet_ to have to play with the registry. I'll tell you what's
> _pathetic_ and that's the back-water Mac only being able to run one
> instance of a program at a time. (This is year 2000 ??? ) I tap the
> spacebar twice and my PC turns on, boots & connects to the net with
> _3_ instances of IE running , one goes to my news site, one to web
> mail, and one to my online broker. With as much web intensive work as
> I do the Mac would be a REAL mill stone around my neck, But all is
> not lost , I think with OS X the Mac will finally crawl out from
> under the rock a bit.
Why would you want to run multiple copies of a web browser, when one
copy can open as many windows as you need?
There are other times, with programs that don't have a well-threaded
interface, where you might want to launch multiple copies. But you can
usually do that if you really have to on a Mac, by making a second copy
of the executable. Most of the time, though, I much prefer just having
a single copy of the program. Multiple copies is just a waste of
resources for most GUI apps.
--
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
CBS News report on Fort Worth tornado damage:
"Eight major downtown buildings were severely damaged and 1,000 homes were
damaged, with 95 uninhabitable. Gov. George W. Bush declared Tarrant County
a disaster area. Federal Emergency Management Agency workers are expected
to arrive sometime next week after required paperwork is completed."
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