Linux-Advocacy Digest #134, Volume #30 Thu, 9 Nov 00 05:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Open Source at work :) (Terry Porter)
Re: Who says Linux is great? (Terry Porter)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Terry Porter)
Re: Disapointed in the election (Donn Miller)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Shannon Hendrix)
RE: Linux vs Microsoft Misconceptions: ("Raul Sainz")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Relax")
Re: Windows vs. everybody-else in the desktop/server markets. (Long!) ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: OS stability ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Ayende Rahien")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Open Source at work :)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 09 Nov 2000 07:33:13 GMT
On 8 Nov 2000 21:25:12 -0600, Relax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Roberto Teixeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >>>>> "R" == Relax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> R> http://www.oreilly.com/news/flanagan_1100.html
>>
>> And _that_ is the big difference between open source software and free
>> software. If an open source project is controlled by a corporation,
>> than things like that are bound to happen.
Agreed!!
>
>But, someone _has_ to coordinate, or total anarchy would work best?
Total anarchy of course, take responsibility for yourself ?
>
>> A free software project, OTOH, would not suffer like that because
>> there would not be a central "power" controlling what he could or
>> could not do, or in Netscape/Mozilla's case, what bugs to fix.
Again agreed!
>>
>> --
>> Roberto Teixeira
>> Conectiva, Inc.
>
>
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Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Who says Linux is great?
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 09 Nov 2000 07:42:40 GMT
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:42:25 +0100, Aleksandar V. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I can't hide my disappointment about Linux. You all seem to enjoy to talk
>some nonsense about "stability" of Linux kernel. How about stability of X,
>or any X-based application you use?
No problems here in 3 years, perhaps its something at your end ?
>
>This is one particular problem that I encountered last week: I copied a CD
>to hda1 partition (fat32) under Gnome as a background process. The only
>application running except Gnome Midnight Commander was Netscape - I browsed
>some local files. When the copying was near finish an unusual error occurred
>"In the background process".
Thats not an error message, unf it seems you didnt take note of the whole
message, this makes it hard to guess the reason.
Do you have any swap space allocated ?
> It resulted in poping up of dozens, same
>warning windows, and the system run out of memory so it started swapping so
>wildly that I could not use my computer. I decided to let it do - whatever
>it started, for about 10 minutes. Finally I had to try to restart X with
>ctrl+alt+backspace. The computer did not respond to this.
Sounds like you used up all your ram, then swap space ?
>
>And how it ended? I had to hit the reset button on the machine.
>
>WHAT A GREEEEAT STABILITY. WOW!
What a factual post WOW!
>
>Another thing why Linux is bad is memory usage: I have 32 MB of RAM, and I
>don't want to upgrade this machine. Linux (Red Hat 6.0) with Gnome is using
>around 33 MB alone, so it swaps immediately upon loading.
Then dont get Win2k!
>
>I checked memory usage of Windows 98 (build 1998, with IE 4 SP1). It uses
>19 MB alone. (When IE 5 is installed, I think it's using around 24 MB.)
>
>So what do you have to say about performance of Linux? How does requirements
>for 33 MB or more compares to 19?
I say ... stick with Windows, Wintroll, or post in a tech group *if* you want
help, and try to have some real info, so we dont have to guess what happened ?
>
>
>~ Sascha.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 09 Nov 2000 07:55:19 GMT
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:36:44 +0000, Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ketil Z Malde wrote:
>>
>> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>
>> > Windows 2K (the english version) comes with several dozens of languages to
>> > set as default.
>
>> Debian ships KDE with 47 languages, independently packaged, of course,
>> so you only install them as you see the need. Which ones is it you
>> need?
>
>Knowing the fellow from his posts, I'd say "the ones that are not there".
>Let me think... Sumerian, Elamite, Etruscan, the unknown language
>in which the Voynich Manuscript is written, the unknown language in
>which the Phaistos Disk is written, and the unknown script in
>which the Easter Island Tablets are written. None of them, I am sure,
>are in the 47-language list of Debian. Conclusion: Debian suxxx biiig time,
>Win2K [d]rooolz. QED
HAHAHAHAHAH LOLOL!!!
Spit, hack, splutter, cough, turn blue, fall off seat, roll about holding
rips screaming in laughter induced pain!
Jacques you too much dude!
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disapointed in the election
Date: 9 Nov 2000 02:10:43 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I vote for the candidate I believe in, Nader. In four years Nader is
> going to be a major player, especially after Bush or Gore screws this
> entire country into the ground.
I think Nader came in to this election sincerely thinking that he wouldn't
win. He was merely trying to garner the minimum 5% popular vote required to
get his party recognized (or something to this effect).
I know how you feel. If I wanted to vote for someone I *sincerely* liked,
I'd vote Nader. But, the task at hand was to break the close tie between
Bush and Gore. So, I had to vote for one of those two bozos. Come to think
of it, I really couldn't see Nader doing a good job as president. At least
Al Gore has some White House experience (however dumb he may be), and that
was reason enough for me to vote for him.
Nader seems like kind of a wacko. :-) He sure didn't like Corvairs, that's
for sure. Come to think of it, which car back in those days *didn't* emit
noxious fumes? He must've been rejected by some girl when he parked his
Corvair, and he blamed it on the fumes. ;-)
Ah well, what do I know?
- Donn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shannon Hendrix)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 8 Nov 2000 21:10:31 -0500
In article <8u6nvc$gc3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't know which vessel you are talking about, but the USS Yorktown
> was dead
> > in the water and towed into port -- and YES -- it was NT that
> crashed.
> >
>
> You are wrong. It *was* the database and not the OS.
The particular event often mentioned was the database. That's true.
However, when the Yorktown was having a lot of trouble, I could watch
it being towed back through my office window.
Locally, it was pretty well known that the most talked about failure
was only part of the problem. NT in that project and others locally
(Tidewater Virginia is one huge military base) cause much pain.
It's really a moot point anyway, because a commercial NT install is the
wrong type of system for a warship, regardless of how well it works.
I hope very much that a real system like this will not be an OS with
graphics drivers in the kernel. The only PC graphics systems should be
non-essential conveniences.
--
"We are all of us in the gutter, some of us looking at the stars." --
Alexander Pope
______________________________________________________________________
Charles Shannon Hendrix s h a n n o n @ w i d o m a k e r . c o m
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From: "Raul Sainz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Linux vs Microsoft Misconceptions:
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 08:45:20 GMT
> 1. Linux is an OS: Linux is not the total operating system. Linux,
strictly
> speaking is only the kernel, however, when refering to the full
> distribution, it is refered to as GNU/Linux
With the kernel itself it is difficult to do anything, isn't it ? I would
even
include KDE or GNOME inside the Linux definition (although I know it is
wrong) to have a OS to be able to compete at the desktop.
> 2. Linux is unstable: Linux (see q1) is not unstable, however, the
> distribution (see q1) may be, technophiles generally stick to Debian
because
> of it's strict policy of defining what applications can be included with
the
> distribution. Alot of crashes that do happen are not always due to
software
> bugs, many times they can be caused by faulty hardware, however, Linux is
> more fault tolerant than Windows when running it on a desktop.
I do not believe Microsoft says it is unstable, anyway I agree than Linux
is very stable, not bullet proof, but almost.
> 3. Linux is hard: I did
> teach my self the basics by reading books, so the explaination of "Linux
us
> too hard" doesn't cut the mustard.
Not every single computer user should have time to read about setting up
an OS to operate it. I know it is a myth, mut it would be desirable,
wouldn't it ?
The fact that you or I could learn it does not mine either that we are more
intelligent than anyone, just that we do like it more and perhaps we do have
more free time :-)
> I now use a Ultra Sparc 5 w/ 128MB ram
> and Solaris 8, a step up from Linux, and even though some Linux purists
see
> the battle ground as Linux vs. the rest, I have talked to SUN NZ and they
> encourage low end users to use Linux as it provides the low cost stepping
> stone to allow a user to gain experience using a UNIX like OS then move
onto
> a more commercial one like Solaris.
Why should we move to Solaris ? The real power of Linux is the freedom,
Solaris is selling more now just because of the Linux success. Do you know
the first thing I do when installing Solaris ? Installing a lot of free
packages so
why shouldn't I stay with the free OS too ? I like the company using Solaris
and paying them such a lot of money, because I just have to call Sun and
they
give an excellent support, but the OS itself ... well, I like Linux better.
Hell with
Solaris 7 the first thing I do is installing bash :-)
> 4. Windows is user friendly: If Windows was user friendly the first thing
> that Windows would be able to do is recover correctly either after a crash
> or installation of a bad/corrupted driver
User friendly does not mean stable or powerful. Anyway using ext2 and
switching off the power as many times as FAT32 lets you to do would
probably corrupt ext2fs too.
> if the NT kernel is the future of
> OS's then god help us as I have faced on many occasions Windows failing to
> load concluding with a blue screen of death, worse still, I had to
> re-install Windows, all because the driver was a little thingy (I finally
> got it loading by keeping the zip disk in the drive whilst NT was
loading).
It has some good things and some bad things, as all in this life.
> Secondly, Microsoft would ensure that users are not scared to death of
being
> hacked to pieces when using high speed internet, you could however, get a
> third party tool, however, if an OS is properly designed it would not be
> necessary for a user with a single computer connected via the internet to
go
> out and buy a decent form of protection.
100% agree.
> 5. Microsoft Tech Support is Great: Another myth created by the wintrolls
> of the world. 1. Had Microsoft actually listened to customers (which the
> claim to do) they would not charge for techsupport, shite, ya pay $400 for
a
> bloody piece of software, a little support would be nice! 2. I rang up,
> after two hours of getting switched from department to department I was
> finally told that they had changed there database format and as a result I
> would have to read a 6 page document describing how I can import it into
> Visual Basic 6 using a special work around.
Ok, I agree ... support means money, as much as a company asks for
their support as better it is, take a look at Sun Gold one.
> 6. Linux's hardware support is limited: This was true in the past,
however,
> now with the pending release of kernel 2.4 the only pieces of hardware not
> supported are obscure pieces of hardware that 0.0000000000001% of computer
> users have, such as cheap, so-called, SB compliant cards and USB devices
> nobodies heard of.
The kernel is pending and not as good as it should have been by now, even
Linus has admitted it goes slower than he thought. I do not see Linux
hardware
support a problem nowadays.
> 7. Microsoft Innovates: This is another misconception, here are two
> examples, Java, Microsoft broke a licensing deal with Sun Microsystems
> regarding Java technology. Microsoft's excuse....."We embraced and
extended
> Java functionality"...laymens terms....lets really fuck Java
up.....another
> example is Internet Explorer..........created propriety extensions of the
> HTML language........."We embrased and extended HTML fuctionality to
provide
> a better user experience".......in laymens terms....lets really fuck
> Netscape.......Two examples of a company using its monopoly in the
> operating-system market to screw competition by screwing open standards.
I agree in the Java affair, but I hate Java so I hope it does not grow
more. Both Explorer and Netscape are Mosaic based. Pure innovation does not
exist since you base your developments in the things you have listened to,
seen, and the so ... the Linux world itself has a lot of copying and
improving
projects on the run, and I do not see the wrong thing on it.
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From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 9 Nov 2000 02:59:06 -0600
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:FUpO5.14253$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8ubd0u$2ov$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > So you apply some patch to your filesystem driver (scary), then
> rewrite
> > > all
> > > > of your apps to use 64-bit file offsets (bug prone), then you spend
a
> > few
> > > > years testing, and the limit is gone! Not very appealing to me
but...
> at
> > > > least you can do it, and it is "free", right?
> > >
> > > Or, you move to a CPU type that matches your problem. But I guess
> > > you wouldn't have thought of that since you are stuck with Intel's.
> >
> > HA?
> > You just suggested that if I want > 2GB files, I would go and buy a
whole
> > new computer to put linux on?
> > Why wouldn't I reuse this computer as a NT/2000 which doesn't suffer
this
> > limitation?
>
> Unless things have changed drastically you can get that "whole new
> computer" for less than the cost of Win2k advanced server.
And how much for the new Oracle license? And how many app will never be
ported to the new platform?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows vs. everybody-else in the desktop/server markets. (Long!)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:28:52 +0200
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ud6gv$tc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > TheCounter is one of the most popular, if not the most popular,
> counter.
> > Therefor, I believe that it's display a fair sampling of what surfers
> use in
> > order to surf the web.
> > Do you've another source of data about this?
>
> Nothing that is reliable. The lack of reliable sources does not make the
> counter reliable
So when you've at tracking device installed on a lot of the webpages, in
fact, it's the most installed tracking device that I'm currently aware of,
you say it's invalid, and do not propuse any other way to get it?
Please note that I couldn't care less about the number themselves (and said
so in the original post) it's the precentage that interest me.
> > > Since this is NOT a valid cross section of the
> > > web any points you make are these stats are NOT valid when applide
> to
> > > the web as a whole!
> >
> > What do you mean, cross section of the web?
> >
>
> Ummm, do you understand statistics are all????
Not in english, no.
> Nope, MS isn't even in the top 50! Infact MS W2K is about 245 days
> BEHIND number 50 on the list! And the best Uptime NT/windows98
> www.microsoft.com reports is a stunning 28 days! Yeah, you can pay
> hundreds of dollars on the most popular, I'll take the the best for
> free! WOW, Sounds like you following the lemmings to bankrupcy!
MS OS currently run 31 of the 100 most popular webpages.
Microsoft.com, btw, is the second most popular one.
Draw your own conclustions.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 03:37:09 -0600
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ud4os$s0h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The longest uptime on the list comes from Universitaetsklinikum Rudolf
> Virchow with 825 days, OVER 2 years! Number 50 came was Octel
> Communications Corporation at just under a year, arespectable 347 days!
> Linux's best reported uptime? Over a year 406 days.
Hmm... Sounds like a bunch of servers with security holes. Since they're on
the internet, they can be easily identified and targeted by their uptimes.
> But what about MS? None in the top 50? Well to be fair W2000 has only
> been out for what 9 months and the best uptime I found came from Dell
> with a W2K server up for 81 days less than 1/3 of the total time w2k has
> been out. The best w2k uptime reported by MS? 75 long days! Not even 3
> months. Then there is NT the OS that so many WinSuporters said was so
> stable, MS reports about 28 days! Not even a month! The poor MS admins
> if that is the BEST NT can do!
That would be about the time that SP1 came out. SP1 includes kernel
updates. No way to apply them without rebooting, in any OS.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:33:47 +0200
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8udi6p$c0u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Curtis <alliem@kas*spam*net.com> wrote:
> > Chad Myers wrote...
> >> > It cant support true realtime applications
> >>
> >> BS. You have nothing to back this claim up. Besides, are you claiming
Linux
> >> can? ROFL...
>
> > Take a look at :
>
> > http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7598&Key=Forecast
>
> > [...]VenturCom offers three products that provide and take advantage of
a
> > realtime environment in NT, and the company recently released Win32rt, a
> > common realtime API for NT and Windows CE.[....]
>
> Now actually use them. Go ahead, check out the granularity of stat
> reporting with XRNOR on a fission core.
>
> And then wonder for about 3 seconds why no nuclear facility in the world
> uses the NT version.
Um, the US Navy plans to use win2k as an OS for the ships, some of them (the
carriers, isn't it) use nuclear reactors for fuel.
I would hope that win2k wouldn't be used for this particular task.
99.999999999999999999999999999% uptime is not an acceptable precentage with
nuclear reactors.
In fact, I would hope that no OS that I can lay my hands on would run it.
A hand tailored OS in ADA, that is more like it.
With at least 50 years of running nuclear reactors flawlessly.
Oh, and a lot of concerte around it :)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:37:25 +0200
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:EIpO5.124873$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8uctuo$mi3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <6k7N5.13146$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:O76N5.123431$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Before we waste anymore time with your drivel,
> > > > name the *nix tools that
> > > > matches the feature list of Access.
> > >
> > > None of them match the non-portability, vendor lock
> > > design goal of Access if that is what you mean.
> >
> >
> > For a really interesting study of the whole vendor-lock
> > proprietary mdb-format issue, check out the thread
> > in comp.databases.ms-access beginning with this:
> >
> > http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=685029497
> >
> > It starts off innocently enough with:
> >
> > (Brinster:) "I have a .mdb file of subscribers from which
> > I would like to extract all email addresses. I do not have
> > Access...can I view the file or extract the info with some
> > other program or utility?"
>
> Notepad would have worked unless it was encrypted or secured.
Notepad? I never looked into MDB files before, but aren't they binary?
I just checked MDB file in notepad, couldn't make a sense of it.
I strongly believe that it's a binary file.
>
>
>
>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:43:12 +0200
"Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ud7l4$u7o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8ubtp8$9cd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8uarpn$trf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/techart/APG01.htm
> > >
> > > Microsoft: "MSDE doesn't limit the number of users who can connect
> > > to its database, but it is optimized for five users. For a larger
> > > numbers of users, you should use SQL Server 7.0."
> >
> > Not so.
>
>
> Then you disagree with Microsoft's technical article?
Yes.
Thanks for informing me on the other limitations on MSDE, I don't set any
limition on reoptimizing your server to more than 5 users at a time.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:48:30 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:i6pO5.14243$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > How would it know abouut .pl anyway?
> > How *could* it know?
>
> That is the point. It doesn't know, and shouldn't know about executables
> and should never allow them to be executed. It should only hand to
> programs known *not* to execute untrusted content.
Such as?
> > /etc/mailcap? No such file in windows, which is what we are talking
about.
> > What is a safe handler for *.doc?
>
> A word viewer. Or word if there is a command line or programmatic
> way to force it not to execute embedded macros.
Surprise! Word asks you whatever you want to run the code, by default.
You've to answer yes/no in order to view the document.
> > *.exe?
>
> A hex dumper.
How useful is *that* for the average users?
> > What about other files?
> > Files that can contain instructions to do things potentienally dangerous
> to
> > the computer?
> > Image files with code in the comments? For instance?
>
> Viewers that don't execute code.
Can I use netscape in order to view JPEG?
Is it *safe* to view JPEG in netscape?
Not!
http://www.debian.org/security/2000/20000901
Netscape Communicator JPEG-Comment Heap Overwrite Vulnerability
a.. executes arbitrary code in the comment field of a JPEG image
You see my point?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:51:42 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:OepO5.14244$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The problem is that Outlook tries to execute everything and thus
> gives you a meaningless warning that you can't take seriously (maybe
> Bill never read that book about crying 'Wolf'...).
It executes nothing. Period.
It should execute
> nothing and give a warning about anything that it can't display with
> a safe viewer. Then the users, seeing an unusual warning would
> be able to delete the virus attempt instead of all their normal multimedia
> messages.
There are no safe viewers. Period.
Or do you want outlook to come with a whole bundle of software just to check
your email?
You could hear the cries from atlantis.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:55:42 +0200
"Shannon Hendrix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ud12n$hm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> It's really a moot point anyway, because a commercial NT install is the
> wrong type of system for a warship, regardless of how well it works.
I would take this a bit further and claim that no commercial OS is the right
type to install on a warship.
You need something hand-tailored for the task.
> I hope very much that a real system like this will not be an OS with
> graphics drivers in the kernel. The only PC graphics systems should be
> non-essential conveniences.
Agreed.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:56:07 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:EypO5.14250$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8ucn8l$jct$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Oh mighty rulers of computers, who can do everything.
> > Please demonstrate us two things, as proof of you being omnipotence.
> > A> Install windows, any version that you like. *
>
> Somehow I think finding a version he likes will be a showstopper...
ROTFL!!!
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