Linux-Advocacy Digest #261, Volume #26 Tue, 25 Apr 00 19:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (George Graves)
Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Factory pre-installed Linux. (Joe Kiser)
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability (Darren Winsper)
Re: Linux kernel 2.4 (mlw)
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000? (Mathias Grimmberger)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (The Cat)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! ("Lennart Gahm")
Re: Factory pre-installed Linux. (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (Richard Watson)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: SeaDragon openly confesses he's an IDIOT (Was: Re: "Technical" vs.
"Non-technical"... ("Chad Myers")
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (The Cat)
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability ("ccghst")
Re: Where is PostScript support?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: George Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:13:20 GMT
In article <8e378b$5jv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, steve jobsniak
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
>the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
>*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
>crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
>of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
>now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
>
>
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy
Huh? How can our attitudes keep the economy from going into free fall?
Are we suposed to generate Cosmic Energy from our collective Karmas or
something? M$ has stifled competition in the computer industry for
years. They've foisted their substandard, resource-hungry OS on the
world in such a way that better ideas such as NeXT and Be don't really
have a chance in the marketplace. They have all but driven all web
browser competition off the planet (so, ok, maybe IE is very good, but
its not its quality that has given it the dominate position, and it
SHOULD BE that and that alone which denotes "the winner"). They are
getting their come-uppance, and its high-time. Monopolies breed
mediocrity. Windows is the embodiment of that axiom. Its time to give
somebody else a shot at making a decent OS for the world. It can only be
a win-win scenario for everybody - except maybe Microsoft. The stock
market? In spite of your croakings of doom, the market will get over
this and it will be business as usual.
--
George Graves
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.corel,alt.linux,alt.fan.linux,sbay.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,alt.os.linux.best
Subject: Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:30:58 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:05:57 -0400, ROSAPHILIA -->> cuz NYC Could BE BETTER!!
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i am disabled and poor on a fixed income.
>if you have a spare, unopened copy of the full linux corel with word
>processor and browser in it on diskette, not cd, could you please snail
>me it?
Whynot just contact your local LUG and have them come over
and install it for you?
>
>i am sick of windowz and it killed my pc-266 and i cannot even recognize
>my cd reader anymore either.
>or if you know of a linux that is easier to install and has more useful
>things for the web-surfer/web-page-maker/email-reader i would appreciate
>it.
>help me.
>please? thanks for your patience and i can't wait till the break
>b.gates. will computers become cheaper after the doj's decision? will
>there be more choice? should i wait and if so for what kinda machine?
>
>
>this is not a joke post.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:51:48 GMT
On 25 Apr 2000 21:53:07 +0100, Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
>> "good looking" is not something I would ever use to describe Powerpoint.
>
>Well, I guess you've either never tried the alternatives, or never
>needed to give a persuasive, professional-looking presentation.
No, I've just never been impressed with the output of powerpoint.
I would certainly not be comfortable depending upon it if the
superficial aspects of a presentation I were to give would be
considered more important than the content.
[deletia]
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From: Joe Kiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Factory pre-installed Linux.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:55:14 -0400
JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
[snip]
> It has to be FUNCTIONAL first.
Which is why Linux will never be a desktop OS.
--
-Joe Kiser
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.mindspring.com/~joekiser/
"Conserve water...piss in a sink."
-me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: 25 Apr 2000 21:56:50 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:56:02 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > Seeing as how a simple buffer overrun was mistreated as a "backdoor" that was
> > purposely placed by Microsoft, I thought it was only fitting to see how
> > Open Sores can fall victim to the same thing.
Just thought I'd point out; at least one article said Microsoft
admitted there was an intentional backdoor in the product. I'm not
talking about /. opinion pieces either.
Speaking of /., for such a biased site they sure have given this back
door (Which isn't really a back door) quite a bit of attention.
> > "With this backdoor password, an attacker could compromise the web server as
> > well as deface and destroy the web site."
>
> Did you notice that there is a solution available already?
Is having a default password really a back door? After all, any idiot
would set a custom password when they install something like that.
--
Darren Winsper (El Capitano) - ICQ #8899775
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
DVD boycotts. Are you doing your bit?
This message was typed before a live studio audience.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux kernel 2.4
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:57:12 -0400
Donald West wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Anyone know when this kernel is being released? Has it
> been put back?
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net
I have been looking at the 2.3.xx series. The 2.3.99pre5 seems a bit
unfinished. Some of the drivers do not compile.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
"We've got a blind date with destiny, and it looks like she ordered the
lobster"
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.area51
From: Mathias Grimmberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:30:46 GMT
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I call it like I see it.
>
> Besides, for all those that claim there ARE backdoors in MS products ...
> how can you be so sure?
> Did you revise the code? Do you even have *access* to the code?
The default assumption *must always* be that there are backdoors. It is
the only way to have a reasonable assessment of a products security.
Assuming something is secure without actually being able to check is
just stupid. If you think otherwise I have a few bridges to sell...
> See the hypocracy? Realize why my response was fitting?
Hmm, hmm. You know, as far as verifiable security (not necessary actual
security here and now) goes anything coming with sources beats anything
coming without hands down. It is not a fair contest.
> Grow up, one day you'll surely be half as old as I am now, but only maybe
> 1/4 as intelligent.
>
> If there is a backdoor in W2K - show it to us, if not, shut up.
How can one show that there is a backdoor (or indeed *no* backdoor) in
W2K without sources? As I said, the prudent thing is to assume there is
at least one. Nothing the vendor says can change that - all marketroids
lie, it's what companies hire them for after all.
Saying that there are no backdoors in W2K (or any closed source product)
is an expression of faith, not knowledge.
And in the case of W2K - well, MS doesn't have a particularly strong
track record as far as security is concerned. IMHO they pretty much look
like a bunch of losers WRT security. I mean, having a second key in
Windows that could be used to sign trusted components and then that key
can be replaced without any real effort? The default permissions for
files, registry keys and so on in NT4? Pathetic.
> Otherwise, modify your claims to: "There is a backdoor in every OS written."
There very likely is. This is one of the reasons why all software sucks.
Paranoia rules and yes, they *are* out to get us,
MGri
--
Mathias Grimmberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Eat flaming death, evil Micro$oft mongrels!
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From: The Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:07:56 GMT
>From that last statement it is obvious either you did not know what
you were doing when you used Powerpoint, or you have never really used
it at all.
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:51:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
>On 25 Apr 2000 21:53:07 +0100, Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
>>> "good looking" is not something I would ever use to describe Powerpoint.
>>
>>Well, I guess you've either never tried the alternatives, or never
>>needed to give a persuasive, professional-looking presentation.
>
> No, I've just never been impressed with the output of powerpoint.
> I would certainly not be comfortable depending upon it if the
> superficial aspects of a presentation I were to give would be
> considered more important than the content.
>
>[deletia]
TheCat (Steve)
"Agent under Wine and powered by Mandrake 7.0"
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: "Lennart Gahm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Lennart Gahm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:11:25 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:58:15 -0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
>steve jobsniak wrote:
>>
>> i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
>> the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
>> *happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
>> crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
>
>The stock market is over-valued as it is.
>
>It's an accident waiting to happen.
>
>Price:earning ratios in the range of 30:1 to 200:1 do NOT make for a
>ROBUST stock market.....they make for a stampeding bull headed for
>a cliff.
And MSFT has dropped down to around 45:1 for the moment.
It is still to high, 15:1 is a better ratio, at least for
me to even consider to invest in most companies.
Lennart
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Factory pre-installed Linux.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:18:11 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:55:14 -0400, Joe Kiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>> It has to be FUNCTIONAL first.
>
>Which is why Linux will never be a desktop OS.
...all you can counter to that is the fact that all of the
various (but very similar functionally) widget sets aren't
all goosestepping in unison.
[deletia]
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Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
From: Richard Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 19:59:14 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
> >> >do is your own business, so long as you aren't harming anyone else, and
> >when
> >> >you are harming someone else (by doing something to them that they didn't
> >> >agree to, like bashing them over the head) then and only then does it
> >> >becomes an issue for law. There is no public interest involved in my
> >> >playing cards or for that matter smoking heroin in my own home.
> >>
> >> That's very much a minority viewpoint.
> >
> >No, its a fact. Lighting up ones opium pipe in ones own home is an entirely
> >private matter. Bashing someone over the head is not, as it involves doing
>
> What PLANET are you from, nevermind what country.
>
> This nation (USA) was founded by religious busybodies.
Well in _this_ nation (UK) smoking opium was only made illegal because
it was felt that it might detract from the work ethic.
And I must say that opium smoke certainly slows down my linux boxes.
--
Richard Watson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pentagon Web Design Ltd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:20:21 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:07:56 GMT, The Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>From that last statement it is obvious either you did not know what
>you were doing when you used Powerpoint, or you have never really used
>it at all.
...ah, yes: Microsoft copout #123,956,812... Blame the end user.
If you need the same amount of expertise that could be effectively
used against Tex, why bother with some wannabe ease of use tool?
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:51:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>On 25 Apr 2000 21:53:07 +0100, Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
>>>> "good looking" is not something I would ever use to describe Powerpoint.
>>>
>>>Well, I guess you've either never tried the alternatives, or never
>>>needed to give a persuasive, professional-looking presentation.
>>
>> No, I've just never been impressed with the output of powerpoint.
>> I would certainly not be comfortable depending upon it if the
>> superficial aspects of a presentation I were to give would be
>> considered more important than the content.
>>
>>[deletia]
>
>TheCat (Steve)
>
>"Agent under Wine and powered by Mandrake 7.0"
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SeaDragon openly confesses he's an IDIOT (Was: Re: "Technical" vs.
"Non-technical"...
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:21:19 -0500
"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:29:14 GMT, sea_Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
> >
> >I have been compiling and installing new Linux kernels for 6.5 years and
> >know what I am doing.
> >...
> >since I run Linux I expect to have to reinstall several times per year,
>
> If you have been using Linux for 6.5 years and you can't figure out how to
> get your system so it doesn't need to be constantly reinstalled then you
> are obviously a TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT!!!
Gee, you know, it sounds almost just like the linvocates who say the same
thing about WindowsNT and having to reboot every day, etc.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:32:31 GMT
On 25 Apr 2000 19:59:14 +0100, Richard Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
>
>
>> >> >do is your own business, so long as you aren't harming anyone else, and
>> >when
>> >> >you are harming someone else (by doing something to them that they didn't
>> >> >agree to, like bashing them over the head) then and only then does it
>> >> >becomes an issue for law. There is no public interest involved in my
>> >> >playing cards or for that matter smoking heroin in my own home.
>> >>
>> >> That's very much a minority viewpoint.
>> >
>> >No, its a fact. Lighting up ones opium pipe in ones own home is an entirely
>> >private matter. Bashing someone over the head is not, as it involves doing
>>
>> What PLANET are you from, nevermind what country.
>>
>> This nation (USA) was founded by religious busybodies.
>
>Well in _this_ nation (UK) smoking opium was only made illegal because
>it was felt that it might detract from the work ethic.
Mebbe you didn't get rid of all of them (Puritans and such)... '-)
>
>And I must say that opium smoke certainly slows down my linux boxes.
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From: The Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:38:29 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:20:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:07:56 GMT, The Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>From that last statement it is obvious either you did not know what
>>you were doing when you used Powerpoint, or you have never really used
>>it at all.
>
> ...ah, yes: Microsoft copout #123,956,812... Blame the end user.
Seems to me I see an awful lot of Linux advocates blaming the user
around here.
Xfree is Not Linux.
kde is Not Linux.
Man foo.
You're an idiot because you can't write foo script.
Sorry but I both use and am subjected (meaning I have to sit through
presentations) to PowerPoint on a daily basis and there is nothing in
the Linux world that I am aware of that is even close for both ease of
use and professional looking results.
> If you need the same amount of expertise that could be effectively
> used against Tex, why bother with some wannabe ease of use tool?
Because people have presentations to make and they can't be bothered
using some arcane, 1970's based interface like Tex. Sorry to burst
your bubble but I deal with presentations containing embedded video,
hyperlinks, real time conferencing and high quality graphics all with
a couple of clicks of a mouse. You can't be serious.
Tex may be good at writing equations and simple table input and
formatting or text for publication but to compare it to Powerpoint for
ease of use and sheer power in putting together a presentation is a
joke.
Sorry jedi, you've been caught again trashing a MS application that
you really have absolutely no clue about. All the while you are using
5 different applications to generate a half assed presentation, the
Powerpoint user will be sitting back sipping a cold one. And while it
is really about content, the packaging goes a long way toward a signed
deal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:51:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 25 Apr 2000 21:53:07 +0100, Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
>>>>> "good looking" is not something I would ever use to describe Powerpoint.
>>>>
>>>>Well, I guess you've either never tried the alternatives, or never
>>>>needed to give a persuasive, professional-looking presentation.
>>>
>>> No, I've just never been impressed with the output of powerpoint.
>>> I would certainly not be comfortable depending upon it if the
>>> superficial aspects of a presentation I were to give would be
>>> considered more important than the content.
>>>
>>>[deletia]
>>
>>TheCat (Steve)
>>
>>"Agent under Wine and powered by Mandrake 7.0"
TheCat (Steve)
"Agent under Wine and powered by Mandrake 7.0"
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From: "ccghst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:26:09 -0400
Darren Winsper wrote in message ...
>Is having a default password really a back door? After all, any idiot
>would set a custom password when they install something like that.
Not -any- idiot. IIRC, Jim Seymour wrote some years
back about walking into a number of Unix shops that
left the root password set to the installation default.
Anyone could login as root (it might not have been Jim
Seymour who wrote this; it was some time ago)
Never underestimate human stupidity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Date: 25 Apr 2000 22:31:36 GMT
Seems we're on exactly the same wavelength. The Windows Metafile concept is
essentially a "killer app" type advantage that Windows has, and Unix doesn't.
It's implemented quite well, and almost completely universal to all relevant
applications.
*nix has the format(s), the ringleader being EPS. Linux now has decent
commercial & free presentation apps which are very nearly as good as what
Windows users have had for years... but they don't connect.
When will Corel[WordPerfect], Sun[StarOffice] et al learn that their apps are
more or less useless without being able to effectively deal with a sufficiently
widely available vector graphics format?
Resorting to bitmapped images is a nasty, unpleasant compromise. Conversion
utilities (like pstoedit which you mentioned) don't work properly. The EPS
files which I generate using a software library (Qt) don't include previews.
The result of all of is a pain in the arse - I hope more people start noticing
soon.
--
Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Most of your posting concerns paper documents, but since you mentioned
>presentation programs I'll jump in with my own pet hate about *nix
>workstations as desktops.
>I caught the Unix habit when I was a physicist. All articles are
>written in TeX, all figures prepared in postscript, and talks were
>given with hand-written OHP slides. Now that I'm working in biology,
>I sometimes have to us a word processor for compatibility with
>collaborators and some journals. Staroffice and WordPerfect cope
>admirably with this, though I occasionally have to borrow an NT
>machine to edit equations.
>However, I still haven't found a satisfactory way of preparing decent
>presentations. It is de rigueur to give conference talks on-line from
>one's laptop. However, I simply haven't found an alternative that
>compares to the ease of use, appearence, and speed of presentation my
>colleagues enjoy with PowerPoint.
>The problem starts with the fact that I produce postscript figures for
>publication, and then want to include them in my talks. The only way
>I have been able to do this up to now is by preparing bitmap files of
>these, which need careful handling to ensure they appear at the
>correct resolution on-screen. I've tried converting to other
>vector-graphics languages using pstoedit, but none of these appear
>correcly when inported to Applix, Staroffice, etc. None of the vector
>output formats from my favourite plotting software (gnuplot/xfig)
>display correctly. Meanwhile, these office suites' own spreadsheets
>aren't really suitable for plotting this kind of data.
>The way that Windows scores, for my purposes, is not that truetype
>font rendering is much faster and that PowerPoint has all those cute
>special effects, but in the existence of the Windows metafile. Any
>scientific software running on Windows can export graphics in a
>lightweight format that can be imported without fuss into PowerPoint,
>and rendered quickly on screen. Such formats exist in the Unix world,
>in principle, but somehow the plotting apps I use aren't able to
>talk a language understandable by the presentation apps I want to use.
>Staroffice is about the most usable of the office suites. It can even
>import Windows metafiles - though that would only help me if my
>plotting apps could produce them (even Matlab under Unix doesn't do
>so). It also knows about Truetype fonts. However, it's such a memory
>hog, and as such is almost unusable for real-time presentations from
>my 64Mbyte laptop.
>My next talk will be prepared using Latex and Acrobat. The end
>results look good enough using Type 1 fonts, and display acceptably
>fast if antialiasing is switched off. However, no-one can claim that
>the preparation is as user-friendly as the WYSIWYG slide editing you
>get with dedicated presentation software.
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