Linux-Advocacy Digest #280, Volume #26 Thu, 27 Apr 00 02:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: 5 Common Mistakes 52645523 ("Rich C")
Re: Terry Porter is an asshole (Streamer)
Re: IBM DUMPS REDHAT!!! WhY diD it TaKE them SO lung? ("Rich C")
Re: What else is hidden in MS code??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Unix is dead? ("Mike")
Re: Linux RUINED my PC LINUX SUCKS!!!!!!! ("Rich C")
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Terry Porter is an asshole (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel (John Travis)
Re: which OS is best? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Time for the MS-rats to desert (@ .)
Re: Factory pre-installed Linux. (JEDIDIAH)
Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat (TNT)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (Jim Holmlund)
Re: Linus Torvalds (Loren Petrich)
YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY-LINUX IS CRAP-WIN2K RULEZ!!!!!!!!! ("[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 5 Common Mistakes 52645523
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:46:25 -0400
"Mark S. Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8e6gi4$9vt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8e5l5p$m7j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> 1. Don't Gamble when tired.
> >> 2. Don't Gamble when hungry.
> >> 3. Don't Gamble when distracted.
> >> 4. Don't Gamble with Money you need.
> >> 5. Once won, the money is yours. You are not playing on free money.
> >> 6. Check out this site!
> >>
> >> http://www.go2jackpots.com/3355
> >>
> >
> >7. Don't post when drunk.
>
> He's not drunk, he's a scam artist trying to get people to
> go to that website, so that when they get ripped off, he'll
> get a cut for steering them there. The number in the Subject
> header, and maybe the one in the URL, serve to identify him
> to the website operators; I tried 3355, 3255, and 3055 in the
> URL, and they all lead to the same page. The operators are
> paying spammers to bring in new suckers.
>
>
Here's a thought: If we create a spider to go to the website and download
the page in all possible configurations of ID codes over and over again, the
operators will have to pay out so much money to the spammers, it won't be
worth their while any more and the idea will die out (hopefully.)
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: Streamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Terry Porter is an asshole
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:44:29 -0500
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
> <snip>
> JETHRO BODINE
I see....you're the son of a 'Beverly Hillbilly'.
=============
You know MSFT is hurting when the investors who lost money suddenly spill
in this newsgroup with their tales of misfortune.
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM DUMPS REDHAT!!! WhY diD it TaKE them SO lung?
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:01:00 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> EVEN THE GREAT SUITS AT IBM KNOW A LOSER WHEN THEY SEE ONE...
> LINUX IS THAT LOSER.
Maybe they plan to invest in one of the other distros instead. Maybe they
plan to do their own. If you turn off your monitor, adjust the room light
just right, and stare really hard, you will see who the loser is.
>
> LAMEST PROGRAM I HAVE EVER USED.
What's the coolest? Deer Hunter?
>
> FREAKING PIECE OF JUNK SCREWED MY ENTIRE SYSTEM UP....
Who told you it was screwed up?
>
> DON'T USE LINUS OR YOU WILL BE SORRY...
...or Charlie Brown for that matter.....
>
> YUO HAVE BEEN WARMED..
>
> LINUX SUXXX BIG COCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Stop trying to hump your computer then.
>
>
> JETHRO BODINE.
[sigh] Everyone must aspire to something, I guess.
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What else is hidden in MS code???
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:06:56 -0500
R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8e89f6$jhk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8e5msp$k22$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob S. Wolfram) wrote:
> > > [cola added]
> > > Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>> #1 - The probability that there's a
> > >>> backdoor in any Microsoft OS or
> > >>> application is about equal to the
> > >>> probability that there's a flight
> > >>> simulator hidden in a spreadsheet program.
>
> This is a bit funny considering that there is a 3D video
> game in Excel from Office 95. If you crack the easter egg,
> you get a display showing names and pictures of the developers.
> Of course this means you must have the Microsoft 3D package
> to load excel.
As usual Rex, you're stating facts that are wrong. Office 95 was released
nearly 2 years before Direct3D was released. Excel 95 doesn't need any 3D
package and one is not installed by Office.
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unix is dead?
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:03:42 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote on Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:56:58 GMT
> <ewuM4.169129$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> >message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >> If a user wants the GUI, he should be able to get a usable GUI.
> >> If he wants CLI (side note: CLIs are not what they used to be,
> >> although the mods aren't quite as visible -- but '<TAB>' command
> >> and file completion didn't exist in the 80's).
> >
> >Well, maybe not in Unix, but I used a system in 1984 that had it...
>
> Hm....OK, which system? :-)
>
> I'll admit, this is interesting (and will teach me to spout off
> generalities like that :-) ).
Sorry the response has taken so long... The system was RTE-A, as I recall -
it's been a LONG time (but, come to think of it, I remember the sixties, so
maybe it wasn't that long). Running on an HP-1000, I think. What I do
remember is that I could hit a key to complete what I was typing. I don't
remember whether it completed commands, or files, or both. As I recall, it
was a pretty nice system, for the time.
-- Mike --
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux RUINED my PC LINUX SUCKS!!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:09:03 -0400
"Streamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
>
> <nothing at all>
>
> Hi S,
>
> Did you finally get back on the net after being terminated on your ISP?
>
>
And he's on smartworld.net to boot. Now there's some serious irony for you!
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:09:59 GMT
In article <o3LN4.69091$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8e5ocv$ppl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ah, isn't the world of Linux wonderful?? I don't use Redhat so this
is
> > not an issue for me! This app is not a core Linux app and is only
> > distributed by Redhat. If Redhat continues to ship insecure
software,
> > people will start using the more secure distributions. No
retraining, no
> > redesign, some time switching distributions but that's nothing
compared
> > to what it would take to break MS habit! I LOVE CHOICE! Were will MS
> > users go if MS continues to insert back doors into it's product???
> >
>
> Except that you forgot to mention that the distro you are using might
have a
> backdoor. Undiscovered at the moment,true, but might be known by
hackers.
> Security companies tend to do testing on the well known platform and
not on
> the flavor of the week.
> Did anyone tested Webmin, similar to LVS from Red Hat, from Caldera?
>
Then again I am not stuck on GUI's like you GUI-kiddies that are stuck
on MS stuff. I configure my Linux via command line and DO NOT use or
NEED Webmin. I doubt `vi` has a back door.
> Otto
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Terry Porter is an asshole
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:45:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:45:21 -0400 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>What a fucking dickhead this penis breath is. Is he or she serious?
>
>I guess it's just another lamer LinSHIT user at work.
>
>TERRY IS AN ASSHOSLE....NA nA NANANANNANANNANANNANAN!
>
>
>
>
>YOU LINUX SHITHEADS SHOULD EXCOMMUNICATE TERRY PORTER FROM THE CULT. HE
>IS MAKING YOU SHITHEADS LOOK EVEN MORE STINKY THAN YOU ARE ALREADY...
Never mind the kettle. Pot, meet mirror. :-)
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- hmmm...."freewwweb". Three guesses how much this
guy's paying? :-)
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:46:43 -0700
Reply-To: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Mark S. Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8e879u$786$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[SNIP]
> The use of Linux all over the world is steadily increasing,
> with great success, while you and CHUD sit here and post
> stupid and nasty lies about it, all of which get torn apart
> instantly, making you look like total idiots. So who has
> their head up their ass?
Despite everything you just ranted, you do.
--
.-----.
|[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | NetBSD: Free of hype and license.
| = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
| | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
|_..._| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
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From: John Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.corel,alt.linux,alt.fan.linux
Subject: Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:22:51 -0500
Someone should have steered you elsewhere. Corel seems to have some
hardware support problems (check their newsgroups). I don't understand
what you mean about the security issues. You think windows is more
secure than linux? You need to do some more reading. Any security
issues with linux are addressed quickly (unlike some other OS's). You
(and no one else) have no earthly idea what the code looks like for
windows so how would you assume it is secure. Ask any cracker which is
easier to do, a windows box or a linux box. I am not trying to start an
OS war but don't troll a disabled lady with uninformed crap. She was
asking about linux distros and support, not for someone to tell her she
can't figure it out. And just for reference you don't have to be a
computert expert to set up a linux box (ever tried Mandrake 7?). I am
very new to computers and it isn't that hard (it is just different 8^)
jt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:59:27 GMT
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:40:57 -0500,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:11:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:40:49 -0500,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>>
>>>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:04:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Actually, that would be a far more individual thing than you
>>>>>> acknowledge. No matter how much M$ would like to think of them
>>>>>> as such, end users are not borg drones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, a simple list of commands is far less ambiguous and
>>>>>> less bulk of information.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nevertheless, clicking on an icon for a drive letter and clicking
>>>>>sharing seems, to me, to be something far easier for most people to
>>>>>digest, remember, and do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>but as my mom said, what's an icon?
>>>>(not to mention that the drive letters aren't on the desktop, they're hidden
>>>>in My computer, right?)
>>>
>>>Which do you think is more common - someone who knows what an icon is
>>>and can do basic things with it (like right-click in a given area) or
>>>someone who is already familiar with dir, grep, cat, pico, etc.?
>>
>>
>>If someone is familiar with an icon in windows, then they are also familiar
>>with an icon in linux, Linux does have GUI you know.
>
>I'm familiar with it (or really, some of _them_). Shall we call it
>Frankenstein?
>
>Helix-modified-Gnome isn't all bad, but it's still a far cry from the
>ease-of-use of Windows/MacOS's GUI.
<rant of the day>
So can someone explain why it is I have to open a pdf file in windows in
order to print it? I mean, under linux, dragging the file to the printer
icon, or typing lpr file.pdf prints it just fine. Why does windows feel
it is neccessary to open it up with adobe acrobat first? It takes a long
time compared to simply dragging it to the printer icon in KDE. I mean,
if I drag it to the printer icon in windows, windows asks me for a file
association, I don't want to open it, just print it.
Another thing, why is it that windows can't seem to deal with
postscript files, under linux, there's ghost script and the like, all
set up and easy as click to use, from the command line or gui. Sure, I
can go to the effort of grabbing GS and GV for windows, but why doesn't
it come with something similar?
Ymmv, but for me, linux is easier to use, and with the exception of
games, has better and more apps.
Normally I don't use windows except for the occaisional game, but the
company I am consulting for at the moment has windows boxes, (most of
the servers are FreeBSD fortunately) and while my laptop was down.
(hardware failure, sigh) I had to use the windows boxen for some
reports. At least Vim is available for windows, I had to install a
decent editor, word/wordpad et al were not acceptable. I haven't been
using NT, just Win9X and frankly, they stink. I can't install gvim in an
equivilent of $HOME. It has to be in the system dirs. Weird, haven't the
people who wrote windows heard of multi-user? I mean, I use win9X for
games at home sometimes, I could care less where stuff gets installed
there, since it's basically a playstation replacement for me. But in a
work environment, with shared access machines, win9X's "multi-user"
features are basically worthless.
To top it all off, the W95 machine I was using briefly today froze, I had
tried running telnet from the "Run" menu item, (have done so before with
no prob) and the system froze, a few minutes later, it was rebooting, except
it had somehow trashed the C: drive, which it no longer recognized as a
bootable disk.
Linux, it's not just for servers anymore.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,alt.conspiracy.area51
From: @ .
Subject: Re: Time for the MS-rats to desert
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:19:01 GMT
You are a moron
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Unekis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There is an old joke about a hooker who goes into a bar, orders a drink, and
> pays
>with a 20-dollar bill.
>The bartender holds the 20 up to the light and remarks - "Hey, you can't use
>this, this $20 is counterfeit!"
>To which the hooker exclaims - "Oh, no, I've been raped!"
>
>Now that Microsoft stock is in free-fall, quickly heading for under $50/share,
>there must be a lot
>of Code-Ho's up in Redmond who have sold their souls to Bill for stock options,
>dreaming of
>retiring young and rich, who are now realizing they've been raped.
>
>I noticed that Microsoft is reimbursing its senior managers for their stock
>losses with new stock options which
>are adjusted for the lower share price.
>
>For regular employees, MS is encouraging them to take a "long term view".
>
>The only thing long-term at Microsoft is the duration of the screwing that
>employees are getting.
>
>I imagine that it is going to become very difficult to find u-haul trailers in
>the Redmond area as more and more victims of the "Cult of Bill" awaken from
> their
>trances and decide to show Microsoft a long-term view of their ass.
>
>Remember all you Microserfs, the ones who bail first will get all the good jobs
>down in Silicon valley, the stragglers will end up fetching them coffee....
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Factory pre-installed Linux.
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:38:34 GMT
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:23:56 -0400, Rich C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"JEDIDIAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 00:48:11 -0400, Rich C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[deletia]
>>
>> ...or alternately, develop the filesystem such that the core OS
>> is NEVER touched. In this way it would be like a sort of virtal
>> ROM (ala the Atari ST). Then only let apps touch the non core
>> parts of the system.
>
>I agree. I was referring to the configuration files /etc/passwd,
>/etc/pppd/pppd.conf and so forth being backed up so that, in the event the
>disk gets trashed, or the user upgrades his/her hard disk, the setup process
>wouldn't need to be started all over again.
This could be one way in which a floppy drive could remain useful...
[deletia]
>> Actually, it would make more sense for there to be some sort of
>> good default configuration. Ideally, the default configuration
>> shouldn't need to be altered. The easiest thing to do is 'nothing'.
>
>You still need to set up the user's ISP SMTP server, news server, POP3 mail
>server, DNS servers for the specific ISP, unless you're selling ALL the
This could be covered by the VAR. Either the VAR could have a
prefered ISP or allow the end user to select from a prefered
list. Alternately, an app that can do 'one step configuration'
for the major ISP's might be a good thing to implement in
general.
Although, options like "news" and "pop" or "pop3" might just
be good enough as defaults as they are.
Either way, this is something that is very likely to confuse
many of the novice end users.
>computers with bundled internet access. Further, you need to provide
>instruction on how to set up any client machines: what IP addresses to
>assign them (this may change on a dial-up conn vs. a DSL conn, where static
Actually, this is a situation where it might be useful to have a
canned configuration where one machine serves as a DHCP server and
the rest can be clients.
>IPs may be assigned. Some DSLs give you up to 4 static IP addresses; on a
>dial-up, you need to configure the proxies to use the dynamically assigned
>remote IP address provided by the PPP.
DSL service that gives you 1 static IP, let alone 4? WHERE?
[deletia]
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TNT)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:40:34 GMT
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:07:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Myers)
wrote in <ISBN4.438$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/newsbursts/0,7407,2487559,00.html
>
>"IBM Corp. (NYSE: IBM), the No. 1 computer maker in the world, filed with
>regulators to sell about $14.37 million worth of shares in Red Hat Inc.
$14.37 million?? Big deal! How about $8 billion MS co-founder Paul Allen
unloaded??? http://www.theregister.co.uk/000426-000002.html
And how about $10 billion the market unloaded for Bill Gates on Monday???
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:40:50 GMT
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:25:07 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Darren Winsper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>message
>
>>
>> My mother is as average as they get, and she was perfectly happy with
>> Star Office. I only put her back on Word because the people at her
>> work kept on sending Word documents that Star Office wouldn't load.
>
>Star Office is a pretty good office suit. It is strange that she had
>problems opening up Word document. I've thrown all different Word version
>files to Star Office and it had no problem opening it. Some of the files
>didn't look like as they were formated originally, but nonetheless readable.
...it's not bad when it comes to Excel files. I installed it
specifically to deal with an (apparently simple) Excel file
that 123 '97 choked on.
[deletia]
>>
>> Consumers *put up* with Windows. They consider it a neccesary evil.
>>
>
>Hence the reference to the "good enough". If it is the necessary evil, then
>it's just like taxes. Complain all you want but it's here to stay.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:42:32 GMT
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:14:19 GMT, Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Otto wrote:
>
>> For most people the Windows is a better desktop OS.
>
>Ok, that statement I can accept a little more. It was the blanket "windows is
>better" that was getting to me.
Even that statement is questionable.
>
>Even this isn't necessarily true either. It's hard to say that it's
>definitively better when probably 99% of those 90% have never even touched a
>different OS.
It's more accurate to state that most users don't know what
they've been missing: good, bad or indifferent.
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From: Jim Holmlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:43:53 -0700
You might try Presenter at www.iamaze.com.
Stephen Cornell wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > It's nice to see a number of presentation/wordprocessing programs emerging for
> > Linux - geeks do need to write documents as well, not just MSWord drones.
> >
> > There's just one thing that's really bugging me - none of them (AFAIK) seem to
> > support postscript properly.
>
> Most of your posting concerns paper documents, but since you mentioned
> presentation programs I'll jump in with my own pet hate about *nix
> workstations as desktops.
>
> I caught the Unix habit when I was a physicist. All articles are
> written in TeX, all figures prepared in postscript, and talks were
> given with hand-written OHP slides. Now that I'm working in biology,
> I sometimes have to us a word processor for compatibility with
> collaborators and some journals. Staroffice and WordPerfect cope
> admirably with this, though I occasionally have to borrow an NT
> machine to edit equations.
>
> However, I still haven't found a satisfactory way of preparing decent
> presentations. It is de rigueur to give conference talks on-line from
> one's laptop. However, I simply haven't found an alternative that
> compares to the ease of use, appearence, and speed of presentation my
> colleagues enjoy with PowerPoint.
>
> The problem starts with the fact that I produce postscript figures for
> publication, and then want to include them in my talks. The only way
> I have been able to do this up to now is by preparing bitmap files of
> these, which need careful handling to ensure they appear at the
> correct resolution on-screen. I've tried converting to other
> vector-graphics languages using pstoedit, but none of these appear
> correcly when inported to Applix, Staroffice, etc. None of the vector
> output formats from my favourite plotting software (gnuplot/xfig)
> display correctly. Meanwhile, these office suites' own spreadsheets
> aren't really suitable for plotting this kind of data.
>
> The way that Windows scores, for my purposes, is not that truetype
> font rendering is much faster and that PowerPoint has all those cute
> special effects, but in the existence of the Windows metafile. Any
> scientific software running on Windows can export graphics in a
> lightweight format that can be imported without fuss into PowerPoint,
> and rendered quickly on screen. Such formats exist in the Unix world,
> in principle, but somehow the plotting apps I use aren't able to
> talk a language understandable by the presentation apps I want to use.
>
> Staroffice is about the most usable of the office suites. It can even
> import Windows metafiles - though that would only help me if my
> plotting apps could produce them (even Matlab under Unix doesn't do
> so). It also knows about Truetype fonts. However, it's such a memory
> hog, and as such is almost unusable for real-time presentations from
> my 64Mbyte laptop.
>
> My next talk will be prepared using Latex and Acrobat. The end
> results look good enough using Type 1 fonts, and display acceptably
> fast if antialiasing is switched off. However, no-one can claim that
> the preparation is as user-friendly as the WYSIWYG slide editing you
> get with dedicated presentation software.
> --
> Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
> University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds
Date: 27 Apr 2000 05:51:29 GMT
Actually, one interesting problem here is why M$ has not taken
Intel's more conciliatory approach -- it would have saved them a heck of a
lot of trouble. I have this picture of Bill Gates calling up Andy Grove
and saying "I'm now in deep antitrust doo-doo, and it's taking a lot of
time and resources that could be used for our next market conquests. But
you've always managed to escape that. How do you guys do that?"
Also, I remember someone commented that a helpful bit of advice
is "Don't moon the giant". Netscape mooned a giant -- Microsoft -- and
has paid dearly. M$ has been mooning an even bigger giant -- the US
Government -- and I'm sure that Judge Jackson will try his damnedest to
keep M$ from getting away this time.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY-LINUX IS CRAP-WIN2K RULEZ!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:30:12 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IBM DUMPS STOCK....SURPRIZE..THEY NO HOW STINKY LINUX IS..LINUX IS LIKE
THE BUILD IT YOURSELF ARTIFICIAL HEART...YOU'LL BE DEAD BEFORE IT IS
BUILT.
WIN 2K IS GOING TO WALK ALL OVER STINK LINUX.
YOU FOLKS ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REAL LIFE. HEVEN NO'S WITH IDIOTS
LIKE
THE MISERABLE CLOWN TERRY RUNNING THE SHOW. HE SOUNDS LIKE HE NEEDS A
CLUE STICK..
LINUX SUCKS.
LINUX KILLS HARD DRIVES.
LINUX IS A CULT.
LINUX HAS NO GRAPHICS.
\LINUNX HAS NO APPLICATIONS.
**********WARNING DONT RUN LINUX IT WILL KILL YOUR
SYSTEM****************
LINUX BLOWS THE BIG SNAKE....
BILL GATES IS MY HERO.
JETHRO BODINE.
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