Linux-Advocacy Digest #692, Volume #26 Thu, 25 May 00 23:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: RedHat 6.2 Enterprise Edition (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save
It?) (ZnU)
Re: Who is Linux hurting the most (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$ (Marty)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: RedHat 6.2 Enterprise Edition (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (nohow)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ("Rogodeter Snowl")
Re: RedHat 6.2 Enterprise Edition (Christopher Browne)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Tholen's Thole tholenated - Thread now tholenified ("Shock Boy")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: 26 May 2000 01:10:52 GMT
On Thu, 25 May 2000 23:50:52 GMT, Bloody Viking wrote:
>Is there any way to make a Poscript "hello world" file to experiment with?
>I'm sure a Postscript guru could hand-make a "Hello World" file.
Yep, you just learn how to write postscript. The guide is freely available
from adobe's site. It's a fairly hefty download.
Cheers,
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.2 Enterprise Edition
Date: 26 May 2000 01:18:12 GMT
On Thu, 25 May 2000 19:20:44 -0400, ajam wrote:
>I wonder what people think about RedHat charging $2500 for its RedHat
>6.2 Enterprise Edition distro. Are they out of their minds? What a rip
>off? That's $2500 for what? Motif? That could be $100 - 200, then
>what else? I cannot believe how selfish these people have become!
>
>Comments!?
u could argue that their prices are excessive, but I would hardly call
paying programmers to write free software "selfish". They are just trying
to make a decent living writing free software, and I don't think it's
decent to bash them for doing that.
However, I'm not about to rush out and buy their "enterprise edition" any
time soon.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:41:17 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Pack-Hard Bell says it all.
>
Yeah...
-- Intel chip sets
-- ``Working'' hardware,
-- etc, etc.
All ``mildly'' modified, tweaked,
additions, etc,
and working quite well thank yew.
// reboot in peace win-boy
> You need not say another word :(
>
>
>
> On Wed, 24 May 2000 22:26:33 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>>> Sounds like you have already tried to install Linux. You seem to know
>>> all of it's faults all too well.
>>>
>>> Speak from experience do we?
>>
>>You betcha!
>>Started with Slackware back in '94 and toyed with Suse
>>and RedHat ever since.
>>Learned more about PCs, hardware & and networking with Linux than
>>with all of M$'$ dos-guis.
>>Besides, I have to use NT all day at work...
>>along with Solaris 7.0 (!!!)
>>Its nice to come home to a comfortable work environment...
>>
>>-- Linux on a Packard Bell?
>> Yep: Three of 'em!
>>
>> ||
>> o-----<(RH6.2)>-----o
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:51 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>>>>> Try Linux, that is all I ask. Try Suse, Caldera, Redhat,
>>>>> Mandrake,Slackware, Corel, whatever, for yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try it and compare it to the Windows that you now use. A current
>>>>> edition of Windows, not Windows 95 or 98 without updates. This is a
>>>>> favorite trick of the LinoScrews, to compare a current version of
>>>>> Linux to an outdated version of Windows. Terry "The porter" Porter is
>>>>> an expert at this method.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Try Linux, please try it. Decide for yourself. And then please come
>>>>> back here and post your experiences with Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Wassa matter win-boy?
>>>>-- Installataion problems?
>>>>-- Too much text and not enough
>>>> animated paper clips, dogs, etc...?
>>>>-- Can't get your nic or sound card to work?
>>>> ((sniff...sniffle)bwah-ha-ha-ha!)
>>>>-- Mwhaaaaa...my cdrom is not detected!!
>>>>-- 10101010101010101
>>>> 10101010101010101
>>>> 1010101010101010110
>>>>Haahahahahahahaha!!
>>>>-- Oh..and can't burn a cdrw? yahahahahahah!
>>>>Forget linux. You're too advanced for an OS probably
>>>>older than you (or your mentality).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you like Linux, great, you have found a new life. If you hate
>>>>> Linux, let us know why.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try Linux and see for yourself....
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: 26 May 2000 01:39:47 GMT
>
>Linux is braindead.
>
>
>Your printer works fine under Windows...
>
I'd like to see someone try to get that beast working under Windows, given that
they can't use the manufacturer's drivers.
Windows is ONLY even marginally easy (at best) because hardware manufacturers
write and include Windows drivers for their products. If they included Linux
drivers, its difficulty of use would drop too.
Furthermore, if the printer followed a well-documented standard/semi-standard
(PCL or PostScript, or even emulating an old Epson dot-matrix), this wouldn't
be an issue at all. It would set up as that, and work. Printers years ago did
that. Some even do now. Unfortunately, there are some designers who would
rather invent something new rather than an existing command set that works.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
DC2.Dw Gm L280c W+ T90k Sks,wl Cma-,wbk Bsu#/fl A+++ Fr++ Nu M/ O H++ $+ Fo++
R++ Ac+ J-- S-- U? I++ V+ Q++[thoughtspeech] Tc++
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:41:35 GMT
Nix <$}xinix{$@esperi.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > the problem isn't with the install, it's when you go to remove or
> > upgrade. sometimes it's hard (or at least tedious) to figure out what
> > all things went where. then when you find a random file, you wonder
> > where it came from.
>
> GNU stow fixes this pretty well. STORE fixes it far too well (the same
> way as stow) and is so complicated that nobody can work out how to use
> it ;)
>
> If you need external databases to work out where things come from, you
> are in trouble if they get corrupted. If the database is the filesystem
> itself, then that adds no additional points of vulnerability (as you are
> using the fs anyway).
yes but consider a simple program. call it widget.
it's got a man page and config. its executable is
/usr/bin/widget
/usr/man/man1/widget
/etc/widget.cf
notice how the files are scattered all over the filesystem. if the
names are strange or it installs more files, it can get messy fast. i
don't mind them being all over the place, i just want a record of
this. the make install should create a log of what got installed
where. then i could copy this file somewhere and keep track of the
whole widget package. i wish this were a standard feature of people's
makefiles.
i'm not looking for any magic bullets to rescue a broken filesystem, i
just want a little help keeping tracking of what went where.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$ Voluntary
Split Save It?)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:43:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Edwin wrote:
> >
> > Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8gcd95$cd4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Bill Altenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]>
> > > Much like Adolf Hitler's policy of never retreating,
> >
> > According to Goodwin's law, this thread is officially dead. Move along
> > folks. No thread to see here.
>
> If I make a silly statement, llike "if someon mentions Hitler,
> the US dollar has no value" will you start insisting on payment
> only in gold and silver coin?
>
>
> You speak of Godwin's COMMENT as if it's the Law of Conservation of
> Energy.
Anyway, we've discovered that the _real_ way to end a thread instantly
(or at least all useful discussion on one) is to turn it into a
Tholenbot thread ;-)
--
The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected.
-- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who is Linux hurting the most
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:50:00 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drestin, if Open Source apps are so bad, then why does your posting
host, SuperNews, use a unix box running Apache and OpenSSL?
Trying 207.126.101.30...
Connected to www.supernews.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP/1.0
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:35:14 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.5.0 OpenSSL/0.9.4
Last-Modified: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 05:38:40 GMT
ETag: "5a08c-d56-38e439e0"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 3414
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Since both of those applications are derived from open source projects,
it begs the question: Can't you find a host that provides a similar
service at the same price-point on NT?
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> didn't you know? they all work for free and give away everything they write
> for your company to everyone else in the world cause they
> steal^H^H^H^H^Hborrow code from other open sores(tm) projects to create
> theirs anyway.
>
> Are there any paid linux programmers? besides, I didn't know there was a
> language called "linux" - I thought it was a kernel.
>
> "Sandi Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:p%aX4.117$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I am looking for Linux programmers. I will pay $1000 referral fees for
> > anybody you refer and we hire them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Stephen Barton
> > Xpedition Company, L.P.
> > 512-327-9172
> > 888-842-9172
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Fax 512-327-1725
> >
> >
--
Salvador Peralta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.la-online.com
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Goodwin's Law invoked - Thread now dead (was Re: Would a M$
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:52:56 GMT
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Edwin wrote:
> > >
> > > Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:8gcd95$cd4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > Bill Altenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > [snip]>
> > > > Much like Adolf Hitler's policy of never retreating,
> > >
> > > According to Goodwin's law, this thread is officially dead. Move along
> > > folks. No thread to see here.
> >
> > If I make a silly statement, llike "if someon mentions Hitler,
> > the US dollar has no value" will you start insisting on payment
> > only in gold and silver coin?
> >
> >
> > You speak of Godwin's COMMENT as if it's the Law of Conservation of
> > Energy.
>
> Anyway, we've discovered
Who is "we"?
> that the _real_ way to end a thread instantly
How instantly is "instantly"?
> (or at least all useful discussion on one)
Illogical, as discussion (useful or otherwise) occurs in a thread, not "on"
it.
> is to turn it into a Tholenbot thread ;-)
Evidence, please.
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:53:29 GMT
In article <vniX4.4767$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [snip]
> > > I'm sure that some will call this an example of Godwin's Law,
> but
> >
> > SCREW GODWIN, his declaration is sheer idiocy.
> >
> > Anybody who claims that a discussion of historical examples is
> > the end of a thread is an IDIOT>
>
> Well, what Godwin said was that any thread that referenced Hitler
> would never, ever die, but would become more and more off topic.
But since nothing is off-topic in CSMA, it's clear the law doesn't apply
here. <g>
> To look at the newsgroups line, I'd have to say he has a point,
> wouldn't you? :D
--
The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected.
-- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.2 Enterprise Edition
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:02:32 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorta reminds me of the farmer who was selling a million dollar egg.
"You won't sell many eggs at that price", the farmer was told.
"I only need to sell one." replied the farmer.
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Thu, 25 May 2000 19:20:44 -0400, ajam wrote:
> >I wonder what people think about RedHat charging $2500 for its RedHat
> >6.2 Enterprise Edition distro. Are they out of their minds? What a rip
> >off? That's $2500 for what? Motif? That could be $100 - 200, then
> >what else? I cannot believe how selfish these people have become!
> >
> >Comments!?
>
> u could argue that their prices are excessive, but I would hardly call
> paying programmers to write free software "selfish". They are just trying
> to make a decent living writing free software, and I don't think it's
> decent to bash them for doing that.
>
> However, I'm not about to rush out and buy their "enterprise edition" any
> time soon.
>
> --
> Donovan
--
Salvador Peralta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.la-online.com
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From: nohow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:07:32 -0700
On Thu, 25 May 2000 20:02:48 -0400, Seán Ó Donnchadha
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>josco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Yeah, too bad they can't actually name any that were made by a company
>>> that didn't either shoot itself in the head (Netscape), or happily
>>> take Microsoft's money and run (Fox).
>>
>>And where was it proven Netscape shot itself in the head?
>>
>>> Besides, their practices aren't being exposed as unfair;
>>
>>They were exposed as being illegal.
>>
>>> >People did manage to get their letters typed before MS-windows
>>> >ever existed.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Great! After we destroy Microsoft, let's bring back the Pony Express!
>>
>>How about bringing back common sense for MS advocacy.
>>
>
>Oh my *GOD*! The Tholenbot sure has many aliases. Oh well, fool me
>once...
>
>*PLONK*
And how many fake names have you used - at least three I know of.
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From: "Rogodeter Snowl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:16:43 -0000
Hey lin-boy!
Go easy on this guy!
He's probably just pissed with M$ just like me
and you and tons of other folks.
We _just_ don't have an alternative OS to
work with. Or one we can understand ;(
Will there be a MacOS X for the x86 platform???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<8gkkic$79i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Pack-Hard Bell says it all.
>>
>Yeah...
>-- Intel chip sets
>-- ``Working'' hardware,
>-- etc, etc.
>All ``mildly'' modified, tweaked,
>additions, etc,
>and working quite well thank yew.
>
>// reboot in peace win-boy
>
>
>
>
>> You need not say another word :(
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 May 2000 22:26:33 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>> Sounds like you have already tried to install Linux. You seem to know
>>>> all of it's faults all too well.
>>>>
>>>> Speak from experience do we?
>>>
>>>You betcha!
>>>Started with Slackware back in '94 and toyed with Suse
>>>and RedHat ever since.
>>>Learned more about PCs, hardware & and networking with Linux than
>>>with all of M$'$ dos-guis.
>>>Besides, I have to use NT all day at work...
>>>along with Solaris 7.0 (!!!)
>>>Its nice to come home to a comfortable work environment...
>>>
>>>-- Linux on a Packard Bell?
>>> Yep: Three of 'em!
>>>
>>> ||
>>> o-----<(RH6.2)>-----o
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:51 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>> Try Linux, that is all I ask. Try Suse, Caldera, Redhat,
>>>>>> Mandrake,Slackware, Corel, whatever, for yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try it and compare it to the Windows that you now use. A current
>>>>>> edition of Windows, not Windows 95 or 98 without updates. This is a
>>>>>> favorite trick of the LinoScrews, to compare a current version of
>>>>>> Linux to an outdated version of Windows. Terry "The porter" Porter is
>>>>>> an expert at this method.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try Linux, please try it. Decide for yourself. And then please come
>>>>>> back here and post your experiences with Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Wassa matter win-boy?
>>>>>-- Installataion problems?
>>>>>-- Too much text and not enough
>>>>> animated paper clips, dogs, etc...?
>>>>>-- Can't get your nic or sound card to work?
>>>>> ((sniff...sniffle)bwah-ha-ha-ha!)
>>>>>-- Mwhaaaaa...my cdrom is not detected!!
>>>>>-- 10101010101010101
>>>>> 10101010101010101
>>>>> 1010101010101010110
>>>>>Haahahahahahahaha!!
>>>>>-- Oh..and can't burn a cdrw? yahahahahahah!
>>>>>Forget linux. You're too advanced for an OS probably
>>>>>older than you (or your mentality).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you like Linux, great, you have found a new life. If you hate
>>>>>> Linux, let us know why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try Linux and see for yourself....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.2 Enterprise Edition
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:27:05 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when ajam would say:
>I wonder what people think about RedHat charging $2500 for its RedHat
>6.2 Enterprise Edition distro. Are they out of their minds? What a rip
>off? That's $2500 for what? Motif? That could be $100 - 200, then
>what else? I cannot believe how selfish these people have become!
>
>Comments!?
I consider this a non-issue.
a) It's $2500 for largely a service offering.
b) There are still $2 Red Hat 6.2 CDs.
c) If RHAT can convince some people that it is worth paying them
$2500 for [whatever is in the box], then this occurs because
the parties involved consider [what's in the box] to be worth
_more than $2500_. [Basic economics: You pay $2500 for something
because you value that something more than you value the $2500 in
your hand...]
I won't be paying RHAT the $2.5K; surely you won't; if someone else
considers what they get to be worth the $2.5K, then there will be the
happy result that everyone will have some degree of satisfaction.
If $2500 is regarded as _too much_ for the Enterprise Edition, then
it _simply won't sell_.
Life is too short to get disgusted over such a non-issue.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
"NT 5.0 is the last nail in the Unix coffin. Interestingly, Unix isn't
in the coffin... It's wondering what the heck is sealing itself into a
wooden box 6 feet underground..." -- Jason McMullan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:32:24 -0600
In article <8gkmog$gqd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rogodeter Snowl"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey lin-boy!
> Go easy on this guy!
> He's probably just pissed with M$ just like me
> and you and tons of other folks.
> We _just_ don't have an alternative OS to
> work with. Or one we can understand ;(
> Will there be a MacOS X for the x86 platform???
Such sharp words Fangie!
You still mad?
[bleah]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:31:36 -0400
Se=DFn Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
>>>
>>>Let me guess. You're also confident that the world would have been a
>>>better place had Microsoft never existed, right? Why do Microsoft
>>>bashers all seem to think they can see into alternate realities?
>>
>>Perhaps they are acquainted with the original and alternative
>>products that Microsoft bought or bullied out of existence
>>using what what are now being exposed as unfair practices.
>>
>Yeah, too bad they can't actually name any that were made by a company t=
hat
>didn't either shoot itself in the head (Netscape), or happily take
>Microsoft's money and run (Fox).
>Besides, their practices aren't being exposed as unfair; most business
>practices are. They're being exposed as illegal under a controversial la=
w
>that no two people seem to interpret the same way.
>You know, I began suspecting some time ago that antitrust law wasn't rea=
lly
>what it seemed to be - that perhaps it owed its vagueness and ambiguity =
to
>cunning design rather than bad legislature. Could it exist specifically =
to
>grant the government the unlimited power that it would otherwise eventua=
lly
>lose? At least one person agrees with me:
>http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2575253,00.html
>"I'm reminded of the teachings of Machiavelli who told the prince to
> keep shifting the power back and forth between the provinces and the
> capitol, thus forever preventing any possible adversary from gaining
> sufficient power to threaten the kingdom. It all sounds very
> un-American, but quite effective..."
>"To the degree the proponents of the DOJ position demonize MS and
> claim any type of principled "high ground", I'm compelled to call
> them liars or fools. Neither side is being honest with the citizenry
> when they claim any moral superiority in light of the overall reality
> of the situation."
>>
>>People did manage to get their letters typed before MS-windows
>>ever existed.
>>
>Great! After we destroy Microsoft, let's bring back the Pony Express!
Have a drink. Make it many. You're going to feel even worse in a couple o=
f
weeks when M$ is ordered to un-make itself into pieces -- and there isn't=
one
thing undeserved about it, or that you and all the wintrolls in the unive=
rse,
along with bill and all his money put together can do about it.
I just want to know; when will we see the end of the incessant whining fr=
om
you people, and spoiled little billy?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:35:49 -0400
Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> What I found particularly strange is how you refer to the fixpack process as
>> awkward and annoying. Have you done an RSU installation? That's the
>> smoothest type of system update I've ever seen in my life. You browse on over
>> to IBM's site, find the fixpack, click on it, walk away, and a few minutes
>> later, your system is up to date. "(boggle!)"
> ...if the .rsu is not broken, if the FTP transfer doesn't fail on
> package 9 of "1 through F", if the FTP site is reachable, if the FTP
> site is doing better than .5k per sec, if RSUINST is the right
> version, if you have a copy of the right version of the Rexx FTP
> library installed, if you have enough disk space for the C:\BACKUP to
> hold the 20 megabytes of old files you need to store to fix the 100
> kilobyte bug you only need to have patched, if you have two hours to
> wait for 95% of the same code you've already downloaded and installed
> in last quarter's fixpack, if you can remember which funny-named
> directory on your hard drive has the Rexx script you run from the
> command line to resume downloading because it's faster than going
> through the web based system that re-downloads the same "kicker" file
> each time, then yes, RSU is very smooth.
> But I wish there was a more granular update mechanism.
Maybe its your hardware or the user simply has a knowledge gap. I've used RSU
to install several fixpaks, and none of them required drive "C" space, or
had the problems you claim with FTP failure -- in fact restarting a download
checks for an incomplete download and only gets the missing files. In fact I
haven't expereinced any of your problems.
But, maybe you think buying bugfixes (opps, upgrades) on a CD from M$ is the
better way, eh?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: 25 May 2000 21:32:07 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Seán Ó Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Perhaps they are acquainted with the original and alternative
>>products that Microsoft bought or bullied out of existence
>>using what what are now being exposed as unfair practices.
>>
>
>Yeah, too bad they can't actually name any that were made by a company
>that didn't either shoot itself in the head (Netscape), or happily
>take Microsoft's money and run (Fox).
>From the user group and Compuserve postings at the time of the
acquisition it was pretty clear that the Fox crew expected to
stay and improve the product. Not much later it was pretty
clear that Microsoft planned to dump it just to eliminate
the competition for Access. It didn't get completely dumped,
but I don't think you can blame the Fox people for what
happened.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Shock Boy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen's Thole tholenated - Thread now tholenified
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:41:24 GMT
"Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Shock Boy wrote:
> >
> > "Mayor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <0_WW4.10747$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >Mayor writes:
> > > >
> > > >>> Christopher Smith writes:
> > > >
> > > >>>>>> We sic Tholen onto you.
> > > >
> > > >>>>> Who is "we"?
> > > >
> > > >>>> We is us.
> > > >
> > > >>> Who is "us"?
> > > >
> > > >> Us is "we", obviously.
> > > >
> > > >Classic circular reasoning.
> > > >
> > > If A=B does not B=A?
> >
> > And that does nothign to tell you
>
> What it does "nothign" to tell us is irrelevant. What you can prove is
> relevant.
>
> > if in actuality, A=B
>
> Illogical. A=B is a given. Haven't you been paying attention?
You stated "IF". Not that it "IS".
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